Dub Talk Presents: Summer at the Movies (Season 2) - Pokemon I Choose You!

0:00 warning the duct off prop casket aids language they may not be suited for younger audiences viewer discretion is advised please be aware despoilers for a series may occur at any time and lastly the view that have made it Express here do not reflect very much [Music] hello and welcome to Table Talk wear a pair of [ __ ] about traders come together to talking about English dubs for anime I'm youngster Jett and today I'm joined by last said as we kick up dub top server at the movies by talking about Pokemon I choose you yeah I'm so glad to figure out how my any of my life choice and that's what he brought me to this well clearly you got captured in a

0:47 pokeball that's what happened right yes remember kids stay in school or you'll end up on about dads where you every option ends in pokemon or kings game and I prefer this option I'm not bitter about the Kings game podcast made me watch that we all do what but for me what he was at October for the last this movie repelled the beginning of Pokemon traders ask that some dirty as he is forced to partner up with a snubber [ __ ] - that doesn't seem to like it

1:33 very much a very rocky relationship but they may end up forming a friendship that realize that will last a lifetime or several lifetimes because let's face it I've totally tato is only what a great great kids are on their deathbeds yeah Pokemon is a series that will never die I'm still surprised that is going on even this far into like its lifespan what are we at like seven hundred episodes or something like that like they literally celebrated as episode like oh geez lake I watched Pokemon when I was a grade school kid like I I watched the episodes at my friend's house cuz we didn't have

2:20 the network and I went to my friend Ray's place and we would put it on and then we would get the VHS a--'s well they my friends would have VHS tapes with like a single episode on them and I would just ask for the video games because that was cheaper and easier for me to do because I I didn't have a collection of VHS tapes lying around thank God I swear I'm just gonna be an old man on my death fan big like I remember it only 150 Pokemon now you kids bamboo Perez I remember back in the best generation of Pokemon also known as Gen 2 when everything was so much better you had not just the original eight gym badges but you could also do Giotto and Kanto you had all those gym badges you

3:07 could still do the elite for day and night cycles I remember those days and then I fell out of Pokemon after that because I played gen 2 so damn much to the point where to be honest I kind of got Pokemon out how exactly did you get into Pokemon it was mostly through friends because I didn't know what anime was at the time I didn't really watch a lot of other than maybe like Saturday morning cartoons and stuff I wasn't initially into it but my friend turned me on to Jetix and that's where I would watch like a lot of like stuff like Pokemon and Digimon and and all these other anime shows that we

3:53 didn't know where anime at the time because we didn't know what anime was it was before Toonami was a thing so we would watch jeddaks and then my friend ray and i would get together and we watched pokemon and we would we would we would play the video games and like it was just it was a phenomenon I was a huge huge huge fan of Pikachu still my favorite Pokemon in the game I think it's just one of the best mascot characters ever created because he's so cute and expressive but it's just something that you always want to keep with you it's like having a cat except not an [ __ ] more of an Eevee person myself but yes we now live in an age

4:43 where v's apparently taught me to be the new mascot I don't know like Eevee there are some things that I like like I prefer Umbreon cuz I'm Breanna is the coolest-looking eeveelution but like I was more into the cute mascot Pokemon and you know I had plushies of Pikachu and I was just like I was really into the show but not as much as Digimon because did you might had a story in Pokemon and really didn't at the time so you know I was more casual fan of the show but most of my experience was the games I got the strategy guide with the game so I could find all the tips and tricks and and I call it all the legendaries and I did the missing no glitch with my friends

5:29 and it was just it was a lot of fun it was a lot of fun because back at that time like you only got bits and pieces from different people about what was real you had all these like myths um you know I obviously I did the the missing no glitches and whatnot but you know there was all these stories floating around and I played pokemon card game well I collected the cards I didn't play the card game but like it was just this phenomenon back when I was a kid and it granted I grew out of it a little bit I was more into video games for the longest time but you know Pokemon is still a special place in my heart and I I still find a lot of enjoyment in watching the movies every now and again

6:16 and you know playing through the games when I have free time there fairly long games you're a completionist like I am yeah even though I know it's so more looks exactly thing so as for me I remember I was a wee six or seven year old and like one day before school I was just like flipping through TV channels and I saw this weird-looking show on it kind of it got everybody be a Dragon Ball Z a little bit and I saw this ela trick now it's fine being a bigger electric mouse okay engage again I prefer to get to it soon

7:02 where Ash and Pikachu were fighting lieutenant Serge and is right - you like toy walks at night say what's that I said hey this looks pretty cool episodes I learned to chew err not weekend's that was Pokemon and apparently a lot of my friends were in do Pokemon so I started getting into the show great that it was already well after red and blue had already came out so I didn't start off with those games my first games were actually gold and silver I remember - typically I would like in a store my mom asking which merge dad we should into water which virgin we should get my brother wasn't there so I picked the old boy but but in hindsight loogie is better so I guess he looked that there

7:49 so so I so I played in that first game and definitely had a bit of trouble my first a minute because I didn't really know how to save so that was fun I got to the games I got edited my brother a little bit because he somehow better to get a Mewtwo trade from one of his friends and he bowed me with that meeting what time and I still managed to beat it well I did man to beat it but he cut the link cable right before I won the games I tried the card game a little bit I don't think I ever really worried how that card game work I honestly it was not a very good card

8:38 game like you got the cards to collect them now the people who played it just eventually switch to magic or yu-gi-oh yeah I wasn't like super proud of my selection but I didn't have an arc and I'd watch that my brother's about tricked me to give me they am like stuck with me throughout the years the show was always kind of served as like really good background noise for me so it's a part about Saturday mornings but like last decade or so and yes i-i've seen now not all the boobies but like well I feed all the movies up to like the diamond and pearls at a rager then I got

9:24 a dropped off for a while yeah but that I saw this and it was pretty good as far as the games go like I just mentioned I and but pretty much every little but pretty much all the Maemo games its generation 2 I am one of those suckers but hey there's a though Gabe's your frog so I can't really complain I mean I had the most fun in Gen 2 simply because there was so much to do and it felt like the games were really at their height back then I used I own some of the the following generations and I keep trying to get back into them it just it's a huge time commitment and unfortunately like it's one of those things where I'll

10:10 start playing and then I'll put it down and then the new game will already be out so it's just like like I played a little bit of Ruby I thought it was pretty good I played a little bit of Pokemon I think I have pokemon black and then I have X and I have son yeah pokemon son over there um but like I had the most fun with gold silver crystal but that's because the gate I don't know it seems the games are coming out so much faster nowadays and you have to dedicate yourself to those games because if you don't if you don't dedicate to your that like you're not going to finish and then the new games gonna come out yeah if I said to myself maybe

10:55 looking back overall I'd say Gen 5 is probably my favorite mostly because that was the one where they best we decided to try half of the plot so that was pretty nice and I also like gen7 watch even though I know people are like divided on that for some reason because they think the games have gotten too easy but I like that generation a lot so and and I'm looking and I'm looking forward to the new one next year that'll hopefully be pretty good but anyway we're not here to talk about the games we're here to talk about anime dubs I guess we probably should get to that I could talk about the games for a few hours by talking about our ADR

11:42 director and our scriptwriter so for direction we have water Lisa Ortiz and while she's though more for her voice work she's also directed such things as psychic school Wars Pokemon so the mood and the later episodes of Pokemon X&Y and then four scripts live captured we have James car for half guard I'm sorry if I check that and who has been involved in some of the later pokemon games dark ride as well as both a privilege for Kade seasons of the TV anime I I think this honestly in terms of ADR I think they did a pretty good job granted I haven't seen any of the

12:28 original episodes in a very long time so it's very hard to to to know exactly how things sounded back then with time like I have my my own memory of how things sounded and probably a lot worse than I then I remember but on for the most part I think they did a really good job with the writing I think the directing was pretty great I only have a couple small issues and that's just because two of the voices I'm very very used to like being consistent from what I remember of the show and but even then they're not a huge problem I I think this is a pretty solid dub and the main cast in general I

13:15 had a lot of fun listening to yeah overall I really liked it okay um so like most nineties kids I was pretty attached to the old for kids ever Pokemon and like I wasn't a very happy camper with the Pokemon company eventually took over dumb production I mean look work is up they'd have its share of problems when it came to the level ization a quick no to Alcon rice bald or not jelly donut stop treating kids like they're stupid they're gonna they're good they're gonna take care of our jelly donuts or jelly buns they're just they're balls of rice I don't understand some of the localization

14:01 quirks and granted I I had to deal with one piece and the four kids one pieces is far far worse if we take the lollipop and you know if we take if we take the cigarette and turn into a lollipop no one is going to notice me where it could be words you can never go sort of like punching bag or something no it it was a

14:48 hammer gun a spring-loaded hammer and that was the worst edit they ever made because you could see where was edited and they didn't even bother to edit things in far shots so it's so lazy so Pokemon Pokemon feared a lot better in that regard and it probably better than you you like I I liked for kids who yo but they had invisible guns because like they had invisible guys whether they had that little side plot where everyone thought kind of killed themselves [Laughter] yeah like I don't understand for kids reasoning in a lot of this but then again it's for kids you know the dub

15:35 that we got for for kids back in the day was good enough they have very good voice actors they just had very very bad direction so anyway and so how do I go back to whatever is saying and so while there was a like a little bit of problem when it came to like the localization and there wasn't like at a level of energy to what the for kids I've had that the Pokemon company dub kind of lacks to me that's what we saw with the first couple of movies because I'd seen like the first couple of movies from when they had this we take it over and those movies sound they're very very stiff to be frank and I mean it varied as those dubs have improved a lot since then and

16:22 this movie it's definite of they're better sounding productions from the carretera button and if you like there's this kind of sense of disses of the overall they were etching that pan it makes this for you well like a dub I mean I know it's kind of weird to say since well it's a Z dub but what I mean is that there's not like a whole lot of naturalism in the performances and it kind of I mean I gotta feel like you know you're just kind of getting like them and there's something kinda bit above what the actors really need to do here to make things work instead of something getting a little bit more passionate I mean in France this is like something that's kind of a general issue with kids nubs in general so it's not like I talk about it scoots a problem I mean and this is and it's is perfectly serviceable but yeah it just feels a

17:07 little serviceable to me I mean but also I know it kind of sort of out of the realm of what we normally talk about here but it can we talk about the dub score a bit because boy howdy they did not have a good dump score for this movie I mean I didn't really notice the dub score to be honest and that that might actually be the problem because normally at least in like if you take a look at the Pokemon like the first three movies the score um and the acting where the two big four fronts because like obviously you have the the moving songs that they sing in in the earlier films but you also have this really good background music for emotional scenes I don't remember them having anything like

17:54 that here yeah oh yeah again say what you will about the four kids there but like they they had some pretty confusing back then mm-hmm made like they they had some really great Oracles drawers like Miata sighs so little loogie it's not every now it looks like it really good piece of music and that's Adam a better time before like they had some really good ending theme song they even got like professional singers to do some of them which was in it's definitely speaks to how big Pokemon used to be hey everybody comparison what we get here is honestly just kind of like a little bit blend I mean it was fun didn't like the older days of these movies where when tcpi first October they at least had some of the Japanese score but now they don't use it anymore

18:42 so we just get this and it's not very good yeah I haven't seen the Japanese version of this and I I will eventually because I do intend to like take a look at all the movies I honestly haven't seen very many of the movies like the first five and then this III I just don't like some of the later designs and movie looks and whatnot but if they're scored like this I think that's a problem because the worst thing you can do for for the score of a movie or video game or anything is to have it like not be noticeable and that's the thing like you do want to have a certain amount of like it doesn't it shouldn't overpower

19:28 the acting but it should also have an emotional reaction to it and I had more of an emotional reaction to the the plot and the voice acting more than anything we do actually talking about some of our characters here and so going to do our first batch of characters we have T brought it because well it wouldn't be even a book about think everything that be broken apparently oh boy I have words yeah like every like I mean we might go get us out of the way they really didn't need to be this movie they didn't and honestly this movie had like three villains maybe like the the the biggest

20:13 problem I have is that there seemed to be too many plots going along and granted they did come together but Team Rocket's stuff did not matter at all they were just there to be there I've got a contractual obligation where they have to have Team Rocket and every book about thing yeah I mean when in Pokemon the movie 2000 and in Pokemon the movie three like in in these big movies where Team Rocket actually do stuff or they threatened to be good or whatever like compare that to this where they're just there to to be Team Rocket like they don't contribute anything they're not even very funny and like they're just

21:00 they're just kind of there just like hi I'm in the movie - at all no they they don't even notice that they're there they're there to blast off several different times which they should be dead for for all the amount of abuse that they're suffering through but they're Team Rocket so I can deal with it but my biggest gripe is the voice actors now so we could do our voice actors for Team Rocket okay I play Jesse we have Michel dots playing both ed played both kids on behalf we have James

21:47 carfare Cathcart Michelle dots you would know for such other roles as a chicken in a chicken Carina and one piece film gold and Irene pleads blade too because when you take them wholesome it family to table I talked about you think of Queens wait apparently as for a James Carter Cathcart you have some of his other work includes dill gear and Slayers Nicki and revolutionary girl utena and Misaki borrow a be world in our way because I'd like maybe one of 10 people have seen that you and it was a pretty fun drop-down okay this

22:33 may be because I grew up with Team Rocket and you know I remember how they were as kid I'm not sure if their voice actors ever changed down the line I know voice actors change over time yeah okay so I'm used to the for kids voice actors that's how they are in my mind I can't like the last film I remember seeing was like Joshy jirachi wishmaker that's when I fell out of the series I only really watched up until Johto I never watched the orange islands and I was very inconsistent with my watching and I watched the movies up until Jirachi where I thought they were being stupid and I stopped watching team

23:20 rocket was the same in all of those and I'm just I'm used to their voices I think they sound the best in those those roles and they didn't sound anything like them and the thing is I liked Karina's voice acting in one piece film gold so don't take this as me saying that she's a bad voice actress because I think she did an amazing job in that but the thing is I don't think these three characters are well voiced um granted they don't have a lot of lines but the thing is they just don't fit my image of what the characters should sound like in there clearly aping the former Team Rocket voices you know they could have done their own thing maybe that would have been better I

24:06 don't know because I do have a bias and I can't really get past that as someone who was a childhood fan and hasn't watched some of the new series where they change the voices but as someone who knows what they should sound like and those four kids movies and episodes I just don't think they can compare they're not as good voices for these characters and again they don't have many lines so it doesn't really detract but every time they spoke they kind of took me out of the plot yeah I can understand so I've always got a felt like what book if I've got recasting for the pose for kid seasons I felt like Michel at Jane's we're like probably tow we're probably like very

24:52 specifically told to sound as close to Rachel Willis Eric Seward and the late many blasted as possible but honestly even the hopefully even at this point even know if they'd been voicing these characters like actually longer than notes we ever did I still gotta feel like that level of emulation is sill in their performances I mean do her credit I do think me shell not suggesting is probably like the best out of the three and it starts closing up to what I recall ablation allows his performance that my brain said that's confuses the two when I've never had any serious problems prefer Thebes sorry James Carter Cathcart as James and me up on the other hand I a little bit more sour on oops I'll be a lot more deadly than

25:39 the previous six others characters and while I'm like pretty used to how they sound these days because I watched a fair amount of the pros forked seasons these two always had it sounded they most often be out of all the major recast mmm I mean I will I will say that yeah I'll agree that Jessie is probably the best out of the bunch when James first opened his mouth Oz I was taken aback I had to pause for a second like the Baraka doesn't really have enough to do that I can't complain too too much about them specifically here aside from the fact that me didn't really need to be in the movie I mean alcohol and Michelle was pretty good

26:25 James not so much but I'm like more or less used to it at this point yeah yeah it's it's a shame I mean it's one of those things where this is such a long-running franchise to the point where like I I mean I'm turning 28 as of Tuesday so this this aired when I was like what six like this is a very long running show and I just have a very specific idea of how it's supposed to work in my mind and unfortunately like it just this doesn't do it in terms of these three voices okay so from old voices we're gonna talk about some new ones because they're going to talk about each row of

27:11 characters who are exclusive to this movie and we have very deep zor-el and cross Verity and sorrell are young traders on their journey who happened to be Fred ash and travel with him to help him find hello Wow cross is an arrogant trader who are bad as this Charmander and ends up becoming a rebel to ash as well as more or less a closer thing this will be natural Billy well legend our shadow but that's kind of weird so anyway plague parody we have suze buyers for Sorrell we have David Oliver Nelson and four-cross we have Billy Bob Thompson Suzy buyers and other work includes a de Indias Axl burgundy in

27:57 pokemon black and white and chespin from Pokemon X&Y Billy Bob Thompson has been declared a beauty orfe vector a newbie of zexal and dr. Amato its psychic school Wars and as for David Oliver Nelson as far as I could find and the core do an end this is his first animated apparently well I will say that I liked all three of these characters I felt like Verity really had the least amount to do in the film since she yeah yeah I feel like they were trying to make her the misty of the group but she

28:43 didn't get enough screen time to really develop as much as the other two on like sorrel and cross their characters I really did like because cross cross is pretty much um Gary from the original show where he's more obsessed with power and and being the best and he has to learn um not to be like that and then Sorrell I liked his hole on his whole lark was actually a little bit more emotional because it's just like oh he saw a pokemons die in front of him to save his life that was like a weirdly dark yeah because you don't think of Pokemon as like things that can die but then again

29:29 obviously there's stuff with Charmander if their tail goes out it can die um but like I didn't expect them to go that way with a luxray but yeah like crazy good evidence pretty graphic everything I'm like wow they really care about the kids yeah so like I thought that part of the story like sorrel and cross worked sorrel the most because it showed that his connection with Lucario meant a lot since he couldn't form any bond for the longest time and I liked that I liked what they were doing with these characters Verity not so much because she didn't get enough but the other two I thought were great in terms of voice acting I

30:16 think Verity is actually the best out of the group which is kind of weird because she's the one who gets the least amount of development but I liked her acting the most she reminds me a little bit of May and how she was very very bubbly and energetic I think she was very very good on sorrel it was very OneNote to me like I didn't really get too much from his acting I got more from his character and cross I really liked but he's the typical rival he's very much he's very much there to learn on and you know you've seen this kind of character in pokemon a lot so out of the voice-acting I liked Verity the most but um you know you know it's

31:02 it's kind of odd because he doesn't get as much to do so I'll start with Suzy Meyer the since like a parody didn't really have but a lot to do but they mentioned before we're talking about the voice direction I follow that that means kind of lacking in naturalism a little bit but I thought Susie buyers came too close to that of a story two bids there seemed a very nice out you know very spunky and energetic they're here introduction and I really like that a lot she had like that very bubbly personality but she's also able to you know dial it back that of it it's a little bit more reserved web kiddo berry - it's talking about her later mom yeah I thought that was pretty well been

31:47 like super amazing that she was really pleasant to listen to as for David Albert that'll said I like his voice a lot and there's a really strong sense of presence to it but I wasn't quite as big on his acting and like he was fine whatever it's around what's happing like passing conversation or anything like that whatever he needed to like really emote he was kind of lacking a little bit yeah he very much like I don't want to say OneNote because he does have some emotion but it's just like it felt like he was going through the motions yeah I mean I'm not sure how much previous experience he had that voice acting since I couldn't really find that for my research so I but I

32:32 don't I don't want to say that so talking up to it experience because that might be wrong Abbey but okay but either way I do kind of hope he brews if he shows up in any future things and a blast we asked for Billy Bob Bob said I can t I was at probably where I thought cross sounded like dot cross that'd better whatever he had like whatever he had a sound really dramatic or anything like that but didn't really have as much to do when it came to like general conversation but I've heard Billy Bob Thompson and other things like the area to hear stuff so I know he does have quite a bit of brain so it's both what was just like a direction thing but I mean but I want I mean I like process right here going to be a lot of all from Pokemon Abbadon pearl why I don't know if you've seen

33:17 that season but that character was he said - we kind of created to be like ashes antithesis and he had like a really good character arts and crafts reminded me a lot of things and I thought that was pretty fun i I unfortunately have not seen diamond pearl like I said I think the last one I saw was the johto stuff and even then I'm not sure I saw that much of it but yeah I said honestly I don't think the directions the problem I think the character is the problem because when he can't him when he needs to a mode he can but the thing is cross is one of those characters who's just a jerk yeah I mean yet he gets a good character arc but he's one of those characters who's there to be all strength all the time screw your Pokemon I want to talk about how I'm the best even though I I left a

34:05 Charmander to die yeah and then he talks about how like on a weak Pokemon can't win I'm just like a charm and are gross to a Charizard if you evolve it and I'm pretty sure you did not get the the what the was it in sinner or you like you I'm pretty sure you evolved the incentive or from a Litton at some point because nobody just gets like an a sinner or so yeah like you're just being stupid about the movie and then they actually did in

34:51 fact we'd have Charizard turn around to be the one who needed sinner or rather than you know just like that I thought that was a nice oh yeah I liked how they actually showed evolutions in this like the they they they went out of their way to showcase like nods to the first few arcs like the Butterfree bit and like basically like pokemon evolving during battle on and stuff like that and so it was basically giving a nod to the early days and I like that they also went out of their way to showcase as many Pokemon in the background as they possibly could oh yeah okay and now we are actually

35:39 down to our final pair of the evening as we talk about our two leads ash ketchum admins Pikachu ash of course is a new pokemon trainer who likes to be the best like no one ever wants okay is it his destiny - gotta catch em all okay at meanwhile Pikachu is his starter Pokemon and best friend so I play as ketchup of course we have Sara Nader today whose other work includes and

36:27 video games like like Maddie a dragon doctor for Alicia and bullet which and Adam a wife she has also bid or Cynthia in upo Ark fee and that's where Pikachu we have a bit of a first they're gonna be strange first for this podcast because we are actually going to be evaluating a say you and as I say this I can already hear Stefan Hardy just sharpening their actions getting ready to kill me yes yes because Pikachu is actually plated it up by his original say you echo a Otani who you would know for such roles as good a hopperoo with

37:12 Naruto Tony Tony chopper aid one piece so all the shows that I'm very familiar with for once yeah we also have a weird first for the franchise to general because Pikachu actually speaks at the end of this movie and when I say speak I mean speak as it a bad role sentence yeah I can't really believe that happen either Pikachu talks in English I okay I don't think this is a bad thing I think it works for the moment and honestly it's a very very emotional moment because ash ash dies but not like that that whole sequence is kind of

37:58 weird because like he's hit by a bunch of Pokemon blasts and they show him fading away and the heat he comes back from the other world it's very weird um but I think if you take out that part of him dying on like the emotional stuff with Pikachu and how he's like with the moment he actually talks I thought was powerful um and I think it really suited stuff like people should be talking about how Ash dies and comes back from the other world just because Pikachu calls back for him that that that's that's the weird thing in this film yeah so anyway for Pikachu's speaking voice we have Kay personal who you would know as a psychic and Danny ba Keith says uma in fruits

38:46 baskets and Lynette bishop in strike witches to be honest these three were the best part of the movie these three were fantastic ash sounded nearly identical to what I recall from ash now granted it's been it has been a while but honestly they did a great job with Ash's voice in the way I see it it's it reminds me of Colleen Clinkenbeard as Luffy just toned back a little bit what what I like see from her now and Luffy where it's a very good young boy voice that has a little bit of a gruff husk to it but not too too much and um it really does a great job of showcasing ash because he's supposed to be ten in this

39:33 and granted ash doesn't age ever because he's immortal but like I think it does a good job of the showing the portrayal of ash as we remember it as as he's supposed to be portrayed I really loved Pikachu in this I think it was spot-on and the English voice like when he actually talks I thought it was good because it showcased a range that I thought would fit for Pikachu is it odd that Pikachu is talking yes but its eye I think it's telepathic but it's I'm not sure because ash is dying so he could just be you know hearing the thoughts of

40:18 Pikachu I don't know there's a lot of stuff in the end of this movie that doesn't really make a whole lot of sense but if you're trying to get the emotional response when I saw a Pikachu put on the Hat crying into the Hat and talking I cried too emotionally I think it works fine voice acting wise I think all three of these performances are fantastic best in the movie are they like as good as some of the non kids movies that I've seen no but I'm not comparing it to that in terms of the kids shows in terms of Pokemon these three did a fantastic job okay alright so we'll be pretty upfront in saying that Ash's previous voice actor Veronica

41:05 Taylor is actually my favorite voice actress and while her ash isn't like a bug my favorite work of hers it is definitely the one I am most attached to and I mean like she did sound a little bit roughened like some of the earliest episodes in that too and I mean I have seen a few of them pretty recently but they're definitely doable improvement between a thousand ODEs episodes and how she said in you know when something wait or something later for kids movies and by the time we got to like the last four kids movie and the Lucario one she sounded pretty great that and the reason I say this is because when Sarah dated Ginny had first taken over the role I was a not a fan like and what I say I was on a fan I mean I honestly thought

41:52 she sounded pretty terrible in the earlier episodes she was in and it didn't help that at her delivery the earliest days if her role was a pretty wooden because and there was first implemented some proms out of boys at the department and to her credit though she has improved a lot since Thursday's and and at this point I mean Jeannie actually has with that has been voicing guys to walk longer Veronica Taylor denied somebody that helps and well I don't feel like her ashes ever like quite reach the P has ever quite read swear Veronica Taylor was at her peak and anything it has gotten a lot smoother since then and this food would particularly resemble any bet she has ever started in a role for me and compared to the team compared

42:38 to how she generally sounded a TV anime her ad here sounds a bit more youthful energetic what you were saying which I feel it does help especially because it makes a character send a lot more natural does it doubly gives off that that's what that sets of the salad that I really wanted from this movie and while she doesn't sound like maybe a little bit for whatever else has to do every anything like overly dramatic or something like that and she definitely a lot of it's quieter moments really well to film like if something that whole trade secrets were ash somehow ended up in the real world which is a scary thought for Pokemon wait a second what's Pokemon there's no Pokemon around here that was creepy that

43:26 was creepy as hell and honestly if they had taken out the fact that Ash died and I should just gotten hurt and kept that emotional moment like I think that would have been perfect cuz we already had this nightmare inducing sequence where ashes in a world that where there's no Pokemon because of Mars shadow marsh shadows giving him like this this dream to test him and so be perfectly honest that was one of the better parts of the movie because to be free one of the you know the boobies are kind of like showed in judges often that they're mostly there as fillers are you so maybe you have so you might have like interesting side characters I like that but you can't really do too much with the main characters specifically because you know you have to keep that stuff for the

44:12 actual TV show and so as generally doesn't really have anything to do with both the movies aside from occasionally BD chosen what if some random prophecy which he is movie because of course it is because he's every chosen one to be fair though they did they did bring back the point that he saw ho when he first left and I think that was a good connection but the the fact that he was the chosen one again like the movie mm didn't help yeah I mean I did like hear that they actually did gave him something to do like he actually does have a bit of a character actor at the movie and I thought that was nice like you do I keep those kind of you know but you're it is presented a little

44:58 bit you know why howdy Bob you know how he bonds with his Pikachu a little bit and how he learned you know there's more to battling to just waiting and all that good stuff so I thought that was a nice little orange mmm it's not a whole lot to do but it's more than what we generally get from these movies so that was nice I mean the movie is very differently structured from most of the Pokemon movies because it's trying to combine a lot of the character development from the first like ten episodes of the show or more and if for like it does condense things pretty well but you can tell that this was originally part of the TV show because it doesn't flow well as a three-act structure yeah every day I like I mean I

45:44 do appreciate how they tried to how they tried to weed some of the stuff at a baby show with Ash's art I mean like how the but everything happens right after Ash had that thing with Pikachu and that whole dream sequence I mean I thought that they've got observers hey Ash's got him grown up a little bit so I thought that kind of worked it definitely felt like more an extended like few episodes rather than like a movie structure and that's not enough it's not necessarily a bad thing because you know Pokemon has that sort of structure but if you're looking for something as epic as say the the Entei movie which was my favorite movie in the franchise you're not getting that here

46:30 but what you're getting is is a lot of things that flow together from a TV show pace pretty well and then some random stuff happens here and there and then they have the hoo stuff at the end and honestly I kind of wish that they had more stuff about hoo but apparently marsh shadow is supposed to fill in for that but it's just like bar shows like randomly there and it's it's distracting that marsh shadows kind of there in the background because they don't address him for a lot of the lot of the movie and I kept waiting but it's like note we have Team Rocket they're not supposed to be here but they're here and then all we have this stuff with cross and marsh out is just there and you're like what does this have to do

47:16 with anything if they had show if they had revealed that marsh shadow was the guide earlier on I wouldn't have as much of a problem but like I was like they should there's a part where they're going towards hoo right and along the way they cut - Team Rocket who's following them and then they cut to a snippet of cross who you know now we you know he's following them and then they have marsh shadow and it's just like all these three things and then all of a sudden they see this random old man who wrote the book and I'm just like there's too much going on to be honest like I

48:09 said I don't think this is a bad movie i I really don't think it's a bad movie if you're looking to retread the first character development that ash has with a Brock stand-in and a misty stand-in then you can't go wrong here because it's a lot of fun and it has some really great emotional moments but to be honest I felt like there was a little bit one too many things going on I'm sorry Sarah no Jenny I like their fight here like it's not a lot of it's not exactly perfect but I do appreciate that to snap things up a little bit for this movie even if I

48:54 can't like do we say I'm big fan of hers and it's a big improvement for the lobby I burn from her broken bird wise and as far as the eco a toddy goes and it's gonna so it might sound a little Compton sending to say this but I actually thought she gave these chocolates this traffic orbits in disturbed like you know it seated to the Switzer work it out since all she has to do it supposedly just repeat why blind over and over but there's a lot more to voicing animals that people kind of generally tend to get credit for yeah because there order to do that you have to be able to convey a variety of emotions through you know just noise in the load and that can also be pretty tricky to pull off but II Korea toddy does a really good job at that and even with anybody oh you know all he

49:41 ever does it say Pikachu and you can really tell what he was really like excited about something because he was like really upset about something when he's feeling smug and what he feels devastated history during that whole bit where it seemed like ass was then and you can definitely tell Pikachu was in despair about that oh yeah to be honest like Pikachu that the the emotion that Pikachu brings throughout the entire thing I'm like oh it's fantastic it brought me back to my childhood because yeah I remember watching those episodes and it brings the same emotion out of me that used to speaking of that scene and

50:26 I know people are like a rent way divided on whether or not be two really needed to speak in order to sell that moment and I mean well I mean well I don't particularly think it was necessary video I do kinda it but they were going for I did like caper so delivery Jersey literally had only one sentence of dialogue but she really sold that single sentence and I felt a lot more boy to provide single lie that he did from some of the other material in this movie and the same and I'm yeah it really struck a chord if they say well yeah equal your Tati and Kate Bristol we're great and I'm happy that Sarah data jetty was a bit stronger than usual for this will be so yeah I really have been all three of these and that is a pretty good segue into final

51:11 thoughts even though I think you that'd say wait this movie yeah like I already said how I felt about the movie overall voice acting wise it's very hit-or-miss to be honest like the the biggest thing that got me was Ash and Pikachu I thought a Verity was the best of the side cast the rest of them were either ok or Team Rocket which really took me out of the film but overall it's a harmless film if you want to relive the childhood days of Pokemon this has made for you this is made for long-term fans of the series I mean you could watch this as a starting point but we all really know who this is for this is for those who are kids and grew

51:57 up with the first few episodes so you can actually see all of these nods and callbacks and stuff like that it's it's not a perfect movie but it's a lot of fun except for Ash dying what the [ __ ] [Laughter] this is what like the third time he's been killed like that the first movie he got turned to stone and brought back with tears and like I'm like I the these death fake-outs are weird I honestly wish that he had been injured and then Pikachu was upset and that's why she talked or whatever because him coming back from death would I mean I haven't

52:50 really cared like too much for the bug about movies it's a dabit infernal I read since like a lot of the later ones it's kind of been pretty boring but I do it this one quite a bit and if that's what you're pretty smart decision on the part of producers to start over and plays ash at a separate continuity from the TV series Jen said oh wow you know it will allow a lot of the future movies to take more risks and it already looks like that's what is going to do that so i'm i'm yes i admit return to see what they do with that one and as far as the dub goes well I mean I'm pretty sure the voice actually gives it like the biggest draw to Pokemon at this point and but the job is pretty serviceable and at the very least there does need to be a bit more pressure than this one that ain't nothing free to talk

53:35 about stuff and you can definitely tell they were trying very hard to appeal to the people who are very nostalgic for the old theory so that was nice and I mean not better at this point there's pretty much no way the Japanese version is never gonna be made available here so for a better or worse system is what we have and I mean I made my peace with that and I had a pretty good time at this yeah honestly Lee I haven't seen all the films there's this this is the 20th film in the Pokemon franchise I will eventually watch all of them because I do intend to cover them all on my own show at some point I don't know when like I do a lot of different stuff in my show and I just choose stuff at random but I do want to watch all of

54:21 them if they if the if this is the direction that they're going in the future I don't have a problem with it the earlier staff and I thought about the first batch of movies one of the ones I'd recommend in motion to Acharya movie that was really good yeah like Lucario is a great movie I like I've seen bits and pieces of different films I remember catching gara Tina and the sky warrior and that's the worst and I I remember Lucario I remember seeing the second Mewtwo film but like honestly I haven't watched a lot of these and the biggest problem I

55:06 have is the design of the Pokemon and how they just don't feel important like none of it feels as big or as epic as a freaking Entei surrounded by unknown that that they have to stop you know Tsing dangreen voice Entei was amazing and like the problem I also have is that I just don't like the look and feel of the legendaries nowadays because uhm the way they're doing things now like it's that they they separate them differently than the old days I had to relearn this where it's not just all Legendary's its

55:53 mythical legendary pseudo legendary and Pokemon we think are pseudo legendary but aren't and it's so weird it's so hard to follow I don't like the design of like stuff like Hoopa and volcanion because they don't feel like Legendary's but and and stuff like I even forget some of these new legendaries I was looking up at like some of the later ones and I just don't really care about them I mean once I got the arcades it was like okay yeah that that's the problem like you once you go to an alien

56:41 from space and then the in the Pokemon God where do you go from there um so that that's my big problem I do eventually want to play through the Pokemon games and get all the mythology because apparently there's more story now and there's all this other stuff that you can get into but it's not a priority on my list simply because pokemons such a huge franchise now and I have one piece to contend with first I still need to catch up with the manga like I had I'm about to start whole cake so yeah oh yeah I've heard some really

57:28 good things but Pokemon is its own beast that never ever ends and ash ash is perpetually 10 and Pikachu is God Chu and yeah so I guess a boy that's it for this episode is there anything you want a real quick um yeah just you know check out my streams like I do stuff on YouTube but I really want to bring everyone to my streams at twitch.tv slash zenith will rule I do streams every Saturday and Sunday and sometimes during the week I we have a lot of fun I play Kingdom Hearts and doki-doki literature Club and some other games and we have a

58:14 lot of fun and I'm trying to make that more my main thing in addition to YouTube because YouTube is is being YouTube but yeah that's that's what I want to plug today for the Waring will occasionally write about things and I also do reviews with appended postseason that I'm reviewing my hero academia is either three and I am also occasionally a where we news and I generally just use a breeze and and of course as for dub

59:03 suck you can you can of course find us on YouTube you can find us on Twitter Instagram and so I add and as for this movie currently it's like currently your ways to watch it or you can easily fight it is the XD area every now and then or of course you could buy it on disc DVD or blu-ray has it available in both formats and you can find that it knows major retailers know this this was a lot of fun no problem by Pokemon is

59:50 definitely my childhood so I had a lot of fun thanks for watching guys and just be sure to catch them all all 1 million Pokemon there are [Music] you