Dub Talk Presents: Summer at the Movies (Season 6) - Belle

0:00 hello denisons of the internet this is not the full film for belle this is a podcast review of the movie and its english dub if you wish to experience the movie for yourself the movie is available on streaming via hbo max and on home video through g kids please support the official release what's up bros gals and non-binary pals i am zenith warrior princess the cutest of ghost buns and thank you for coming to our grand finale of summer at the movies v concert looks like we have guests from all

0:47 around the world here tonight our main headliner will be here in just a minute so keep your virtual hats on as always before you begin the following concert may contain language and subject matter not suitable for younger accounts listener discretion is advised also there will definitely be spoilers for the movie bell the entire filmography of amoro hasoda and any other anime or video game being discussed be forewarned if you haven't seen this cinematic achievement yet and of course the words expressed by our performers are the opinions of the individuals themselves and do not necessarily

1:33 reflect the dub talk virtual world as a whole alright let's see some hearts and likes in the chat and finally begin the event to the summer everyone give it up for the dub talk performers [Applause] welcome to my mysterious castle ladies and gentlemen i see you have gone far off the beaten path and have perhaps lost your horse and need a place to stay for the night but that is perfect

2:19 because we will give you a place to stay because you have wandered into the dub talk castle yes we have been keeping track of this place for millennia as we deal with the curse of having to deal with anime dubs both good and bad and in between throughout the ages and one day if we find the one person who can love us and we can love them in return we will be free from our prison and we can go back to living normal lives uh some of us will not be free from the dungeon though that's you that is me i'm stuck in here forever but that's okay because you have chosen to join us for the grand finale of summer at the movies do you think any of those people ever got turned into a butt plug in one of

3:05 those beauty and the beast films well it is french so more than likely at the very least one of them i shall stick this plug up on my bum [Laughter] your dirty air is that the dirty version that you were thinking of gigi no i'm not even gonna talk about it on this podcast that's how bad it is no people there's apparently a beauty in the beast adaptation that is so wrong that it even even squeaked gigi out that that's how bad it is we'll talk about that in a future episode it's french well not like this movie but anyways yes so we've come to the finale of summer at

3:50 the movies uh we've gone through girls with tanks we've gone through weather girls we've gone through girls in wheelchairs so it always seems fitting that we end this whole thing off we're not going to talk about the girl who got turned into a cat and we as we also had a movie starring anne hathaway turning into a cat it was a good summer i think overall also fujiko mina was here too yes she just the girl good girl she was a good girl but we are here to talk about an injury youtuber girl we are here to talk about the uh i want to say legendary because it made quite a splash when it came out last year the latest feature film from director mamara hosoda belle that's a fine name and all but i i personally prefer the original title the

4:37 original japanese title was the dragon and the freckled princess which i have to assume i have to assume that was uh actually the shortened version i i'm sure that if it was like a real japanese title it would be something like i couldn't deal with the crushing death of my mother so i became a virtual singer in a virtual reality wow sounds like an isakai light novel to me this is kind of this is better than any isakai light novel though this this is true this exactly but you won't deny it's got quite a bit of the escapist fantasy going on in it i mean yes and i will get to why that's amazing so speaking of um talking about that i should probably introduce my cohorts in

5:22 this castle uh please say hello to my clock megan why am i why do i have to be the clock why does megan have to be the clock she's released jenny i am not the codsworth in this household thank you i am the mrs potts how [ __ ] dare you no no i'll tell you why i'll tell you why because in the the disney version the clock was voiced by uh david alden steers and i know that megan's a fan of his so i'm gonna my boyfriend is a fan of david ogden's tears i didn't know who he was a year ago but now you know also now you know if you're going to go by people who i am a fan of who are voices in the disney movie how are you talking to the person

6:09 from new york whose family religiously watches law and order and god give me lumiere you piece of [ __ ] [Music] you can see why i am cursed here because i have upset megan and i deserve to be cursed absolutely jenny tell him ten thousand years dungeon ten thousand years dungeon well while i'm down there i can at least enjoy the light given off from my candelabra gigi see gigi would actually be the mrs potts because she has the pipes to handle angela lansbury when i was in remember when um they had that bell thing at disney world oh yeah

6:57 were you i was the wardrobe did they picked you to be the wardrobe or did you volunteer um they picked me for the wardrobe because i can sing really loud and really high good but that's a that's a compliment because uh oh who was it who played the wardrobe i had it written down it's not [ __ ] angela lansbury no no in the christmas movie it was um oh god the girl who was in private practice who was also in ragtime on broadway she's very famous okay no but in the original movie it's joanne worley who's like a famous 70s comedian and like stand-up uh improv actress so that works for me that's a compliment right there

7:43 i mean i i was going to say i i i'm the uh the i the to be the mrs potts i'll be noah clue for the night but clearly i am the cursed one down in the dungeon 10 000 years because i don't know how to cast people in this podcast no offense noah i love you very dearly you're not hairy enough to be the beast noah would be the dad like belle's dad he's got star craving man it's even worse i cannot i can only see that gift jennifer jennifer gigi just said i should be the dad from beauty and the beast okay so we're gonna cast the rest of dump talk as beauty and the beast characters who gets to be the beast who's hairy enough to be the beast and isn't andrew can we all say andrew yeah hardy or is it going to be andrew no

8:30 andrew's the beast steph is he is loud enough to be the beast steph is definitely is belle so hardy gets to be gaston i i'm sorry but because because every last inch of him is covered in hair jamal would be jamal gets to be jamal gets to be lefou [Laughter] jet is definitely cogsworth that would be more in line jet would be cogsworth gigi is definitely the mrs potts i'd be the [ __ ] wardrobe um who's patrick would probably be lumiere that would be funny does this mean that amman gets to be uh tim curry who is yes from the christmas movie does he get to be the organ for the christmas movie yes

9:17 we're not counting that we're counting the original film okay um so then amman would be mine gets to be bell's horse at least make him the dog or something there was a dog yeah a little footstool dog a little ottoman dog what about chip who's going to be my kid oh my god can i help you yes my son lack can be the footstool dog who would be uh who's gonna zenith can be all three girls who are hitting on gaston perfect no no no perfect no zen's gotta be the uh the feather duster oh yeah jackson jackson can be all three girls hitting one

10:04 this is awful but then we gotta put lack in there also wax the dog alexa dog okay and then uh and scene scene wait we didn't get who did you put his roots we're just lumiere lumiere oh he's lumiere yeah because him and jet have perfect banter with each other there you go i missed that one i was too busy laughing at turning jackson into the three girls three women hitting on gaston well anyways i'm sorry we got way off track here but now that we got all the disney stands in the audience i guess we should tell them what that's this is for you [Laughter] so so yeah this is another uh this film by mama soda is an ad is technically an adaptation of beauty and the beast in

10:51 the loosest sense possible there's it's a mix of a lot of different ideas this guy clearly had a lot of story ideas that he wanted to blend together here so and i feel like noah and i are going to get into an a word based fist fight over the quality of this film yes we are absolutely um i will not win that fight but i'll be happy to go down swinging we're going down in another round and sugar we're going down swinging okay pete once keep talking so would you guys would you too uh because i know you haven't seen it yet would you like to know uh the plot of belle i've seen this movie three times same so so i don't need to give you a plot description no but you're an audience there's one let's so yeah for anyone who hasn't seen

11:36 the movie yet um let me tell you what it's about so it's about a teenage girl named suzu who unfortunately her mother passed away when she was younger which that experience has kind of traumatized her so she's grown up to be a bit of a more hushed reserved individual who can't really get her emotions out however she finds the strength to get her abilities out particularly her a love for singing in music in the world of oz i mean the digital world that i mean uh facebook no no oh my god noah just say you it's you it's okay this is like the third time hasson has done a virtual world but yes this one is called yeah and how many times has shinkai done a love story get on with it it's just the letter u

12:21 and in this virtual world basically your personality your body everything is able to be moved into the world it's like a mix of vtuber virtual reality and complete augmented all your senses are connected to it but long story short bell suzu's counterpart in the world of you belle becomes an internet sensation and a singing star but her singing career is kind of abruptly stopped by the encounter with another individual the beast or the dragon who is a troubled individual with a lot of scars on his back hides in a castle wants to be the best fighter in the world but there might be a little more to his real life personality and so begins suzu and her friends journey to

13:08 find out who is the beast and can the power of the internet help them in the real world also this movie can be summed up as what would happen if you left a really really smart 15 year old alone with their parents computer and a quest for money are you talking about the greatest character in the movie yes [ __ ] oh i love that woman so much that girl that girl needed to be the star of the movie i i'm kind of happy with suzu being the star so that that's a good point the whole point of suzu being a shy reserved girl whose strength comes from the anonymity of the internet you know where you can have a personality but you don't have to

13:53 give up your anonymousness that's a that's a major theme of the movie we'll get to where that goes we'll get to that not just with the movie but the casting as well because that was an interesting choice uh obviously you can't adapt a movie from japanese to english without a director and a scriptwriter and you certainly can't adapt this movie without a song adapter as well because this movie has a lot of singing in it and all of it was dubbed you can switch the audio tracks and listen to the japanese singing or you can keep it in english and listen to some really amazing english adaptations of japanese songs shall we begin yes let's go to the hot to the danger zone look that's top guns

14:38 top gun the straightest gayest movie you'll ever watch oh my god that beach football scene do you mean volleyball volleyball no then the new one it's football sweetie oh [ __ ] did you just pull the no you on us top gun style [Laughter] fellas is it gay to play to play with your balls on the beach with your with your teammates are you seriously referencing yu-gi-oh abridged why would i not that's a cultural landmark yes it is anyways so uh directing and scriptwriting for this so our director for belle is one michael center nicholas and our scriptwriter is stephanie shea and our song adaptation

15:25 was done by ludwig fourcell and uh well hold on a second here i i could be having deja vu because i seem to remember us talking about another movie directed by michael sarah nicholas and script written by stephanie shea earlier this year dear god could this be another nya v post adaptation oh my god who would have thought who would have thought g kids would have contacted ny if you post i'm shocked shocked i tell you so unlike anything they've done before but the next by the way the next shinkai film probably won't be them though good point i think we should talk about that maybe at another time but that's a minefield on its own um where have you heard michael sarah nicholas and stephanie shay's work before all right they've both been directors and script writers on like

16:11 megan was saying other g kid released feature films that we've we've talked about in this podcast before they're adaptation people for your name for okozin and even for an episode that gigi and i just covered a couple weeks ago weathering with you first of all your name was not done by g kids that was funimation i'm sorry you're right but the same uh director and writer yes sorry also they did promere so that they did that was a jesus i thought that the songs were adapted by the the japanese person who wrote them they were done together with them because ludwig corcell also did the composition on bell with him gotcha i watch i watch that on the blu-ray and i was like oh that's cool uh yeah ludwig fourcell also did the composing to the

16:58 video game uh death stranding you know that game where you run around with the baby and uh the dude from the walking dead norman reedus fetus norman reedus and the funky fetus uh he also did metal gear solid five and metal gear uh the definitive experience and middle uh those are big things he also got a special thanks from the horizon zero dawn crew uh but he did bells composing with um imdb you suck uh taisei iwataki is the big one and a lot of us would know who tai say iwataki is uh they did we caught the music for series like blood blockade battlefront

17:44 um the dragon pilot yeah they did a lot of stuff anyway back on track no i'm sorry to backseat post you no no i i want the mix there because that we're gonna have a lot of uh varied individuals on this episode because as is customary for nya v uh cast they usually get a mix of both seasoned actors and people that you've never seen in an anime before so and maybe you shouldn't have been given roles yes looking youtubing with you hey i'll be i do not like that movie and i do not like that dub i'm going to be that's okay i love both so [Music] i i liked them okay um not so much uh to

18:29 dislike or love the other so i'll i'll be right here in my nice static no commitment zone no fear zone so so how about this um this adaptation here um i'd say it's pretty good what about you guys oh this was such a step up for me from weathering with you and i was terrified this was going to be terrible um really i i did not like a lot of the use of we're going to get large name celebrities to be these characters like yeah allison victor not alison victor wow uh talking about from the weathering with yes allison brie thank you

19:15 like her and and uh what does nuts from lord of the rings yes um yeah um yeah from the hobbit not from the original lord of the rings lord of the rings the hobbit whatever they all meld together for me um they were fine but then you get like rizzomed who is terrible and i i didn't particularly care for the two newer actors that they got to in it but this i thought they did a great job casting i thought the only person i genuinely i think have a problem with is justin's voice maybe justin and um the guy oh my god not not kanye's son khan it sounds great

20:00 oh oh you're talking about them i'm sorry which one uh not kami sheen but um shinobu took a long time to get used to um but in i thought that the script adaptation was great i thought it felt very natural and as natural as you could be for this but like let's talk about the actual star of this and that is the songs yeah um this is some of the best dubbed anime song work i've ever heard in my life um yeah wow um so much so that i actually preferred of the japanese um my biggest fear is i because i have listened to the japanese version of the

20:46 soundtrack i was going to ask did you actually yes i i have listened to the image um and the thing i felt as a fear when i first listened to it was oh my god did they have i felt like they had belle's actress at first almost mimicked the say you a little too closely but when i listened to it you know with the context of the songs in the moment um it was a lot better and i think it's it helps that for one this is the first time that belle's actress had done anime voiceover at all like any acting yeah any acting at all

21:31 they they were known as a singer and i think they do a fantastic job acting wise but there are just some songs that you need to deliver and in particularly the penultimate song a million miles away had to be both vulnerable and building into bombasticness and it worked amazingly and i think that the biggest thing that this had over a lot of other anime songs is that they had the original people there working on the adaptation so it does kind of feel a little bit like cheating but from what i from what i understand like this is just going into some stuff um a lot of times licensers will have to

22:18 actually approve the song subtitle lyrics before they can go up as at the time of this recording i don't think the show will be over when this goes up but like that's been a big issue with tokyo mew mew new is that that'll have songs in it and like that swath of the show will just have no subtitles because they have to wait to get the song lyrics approved but overall i think this is i don't know if this is my favorite dub of a soda film though like that's a hyper to clear yeah because like as much as i really like a lot of the acting in this i still feel like there was something that

23:04 i don't i just don't know like it doesn't have the magic of something like summer wars to me well i mean a lot of the a variety of characters that we had in something like summer wars isn't really here in this i i disagree that there are a lot of great characters and i will say that this this movie has some of the best walla work i've ever heard in my life um the wall of work on this movie is impeccable oh you're talking about like in the the universe of you yeah yeah it's it's impeccably dumb oh yeah i don't this is a different movie than summer wars though as much it is as much as you joke about ha ha ha soda's doing the digital world thing again this has a different theme and tone to

23:49 it which calls for different acting i think my issue is with potentially a licensor mandate from g kids that feels a lot like you have to have this say this not this this screen actor in your movie and like i will say this and i know it's a very petty thing to get bugged about but like belle's actress isn't even the first person listed on her own poster that's not uncommon it's not uncommon but it says something and i know there's a whole thing about it but like i don't know maybe it's just me i i genuinely like it more when people who do this as their main day-to-day living

24:34 are the ones in it and i guess that's why like out of all of the dubs i've seen from g kids promera is still my favorite and i think is one of the best ones well i mean i'm gonna i'm gonna disagree with everything you said so i'm glad that you got that out right away jesus christ here we go i got tea fam i'm literally drinking the tea i i over exaggerate i don't i have a problem with this dub um what i do love about the music is that it's impeccably mixed oh um it's not it's not just sing the song into the microphone and we'll like make sure that the you know the pitch matches or will auto correct a couple of uh spots here and there no they you listen to it and you hear it crescendos at the right moment it blends with the audio

25:19 instrumentals at the right time there's a there's a little bit of um intentional auto-tune not like pitch correction to make sure that you hit the right note it's like that very intentional digital sound that enhances a performance when you use it sparingly you can hear that mixed into this performance and it's a lot of fun to listen to that first uh number that she comes in uh and i i don't know the lyrics sorry but it's like i think that's called millennium parade thank you um i mean i heard it a bunch because it was uh fun fact uh the first clip of this movie was leaked online months before it even had its theatrical run and you could see that you could see the entire millennial parade and the aesthetics and all that and that song

26:06 to the right you're saying megan is different from the japanese singer the japanese singer sung it kind of a full very um uh broadway showy kind of way but the english performance is like ramped up even more it's like amps up the angst that goes with the lyrics and it plays up the uh intensity of kind of playing to the cheap seats almost which i think it does say quite a bit about how they mimic the sound a little bit but they okay i'm actually wrong it's not called ah well but you know which one i'm talking about yes she's on the whale why are there whales why are these there was a whale in summer wars it's just a

26:52 soda's favorite animal let him have it there was a whale in boy and the beast too i literally watched summer wars the day before we saw belle in the theater and i was like why is the whale from summer wars in here and chris is like this is why i made you watch summer it's because soda likes whales let him like whales i guess i mean i don't have a problem with it it's just it's very fun to to like so we've seen all of his movies you know we've seen all of his films kind of as they come out and it's very fun to kind of look at and be like that's a thing that was in all of his movies ah i see what you did there just like shinkai and his misconstrued romances yeah and you know weird immaculate details on certain things like feet that one movie

27:40 garden of wards yep but that has nothing to do with the dub here and yeah i don't have a qualm with the dub um i didn't really have a point where i thought like this wasn't being done well because there's so much audio coming at you almost all the time whether it be in the like a karaoke scene where there's a lot of high schoolers there's a recruiting scene in a high school there's a huge wall of sound in the world of you and in all of it they uh it sounds professional it does not sound like just getting a bunch of people in a like in a gymnasium and recording the ambient noise like this was clearly dozens of layers of audio files layered against each other to sound right

28:25 so i think that i think they understood it and if you told me that there was input from the original japanese producers to make it sound like what they wanted to sound like i would totally believe you now gigi obviously you know we've uh torn this movie to shreds so you must have some positive things to say uh well so here's the thing i feel like for the past what three two years all i've done for summer at the movies is talk about nyuv postdoms next year we're putting you on something different you know all we're going to do is we're going to get you a movie from like the 1970s oh christ how about one that just came out because we're literally been watching them all this year um but watch the cinephile as well oh my

29:10 god that is okay um oh yeah that's right you saw that yeah i've seen them all literally seen every single one that's come out in the theater we just need to bully big west into topping macros that was so good though oh my god my cross was so good it happened oh god i don't even know if i want to hear it dubbed to be honest but that's another story aside like i wrote in my notes i was like props for blah blah blah and then i was like wait a minute it's the same [ __ ] they do in every other movie that they direct and write and cast which is they pick out some unknown people and then they put some celebrities in there that may or may not have done voice acting before

29:56 and usually it's the unknown people who work out real well and then the celebrities are like but your name's on the poster um and this was one where actually uh i am a huge fan of the person whose name was on the poster so i was like fangirling out like the moment yeah gigi was more than anybody else for that guy and the rest of us feel like oh okay because i watched gossip girl okay yes my life is oh god gossip girl is the best xoxo um but like the other famous person in this we'll talk to him when we talk about him um but uh they tried i mean really the the thing

30:44 you can have like it's it's it's a perfectly valid writing job a perfectly valid directing job i don't have anything terrible to say about either one because most of this movie is told kind of in silences and in songs and because the song adaptation is so good and the song direction is so good like i'm not exaggerating when i tell you that three-fourths of this movie in the theater i was ugly crying like tears sobbing tears running down my face because just anything that they could have done with a dub script and directing wise like it was just usurped by all the music in it so i mean like they could

31:30 have had a trash can talk for some of these people and i still would have been ugly crying through three quarters of the movie um but i will tell you that um michael center nicholas directed this right yes he did uh the little children how he directed those little children to scream and cry oh that hurt me like on a on a physical level like my heart was like breaking in pieces they had a kayak and a rope the mob could have survived i don't chris was like he said something now i can't remember this is why this is my jack and rose gonna fit on the door yeah it was like why why did why didn't she just swim back or why didn't she wear the life vest and swim back with the kid and i was like dude i don't know this is an anime movie the mom's got to

32:16 die it's an anime movie that was teamed up and helped designed by a person who worked at disney of course the mom's [ __ ] dying [Laughter] but yeah i mean like it's a standard ny av post slash g kids dub in the way that it was written and directed but in the way that the music was just the music is just better than than anything i could have asked for so i almost feel like like the music should have gotten top billing over the people on the credits yeah honestly yeah it probably just michelle's actress there because she was the star she was it was i mean they got a legitimate singer who brought energy to this in a way that if it did not ex if it did not carry

33:02 the crowd rapturing level that bell has in this movie it wouldn't be believable so that that's kind of a necessary element and i think they did it i do wish they would have cast more like professional voice actors though there are some but they're all almost like put down to these secondary characters yeah they're hidden they're like sprinkled around i think they could have like we're not talking about her but like peggy sue is played by christina v right and she was really cute in it and there's some people that we're literally about to talk about next who are kind of like legends in the industry but yes they are uh i think there could have been some like male voice actors who do it professionally thrown around in there who were playing some bigger roles

33:49 uh i didn't see that part i could i get where you're saying that uh some of the male younger voices like the more uh male lead voices weren't like up to the level of quality from actors who we know could have done this very well but it didn't bother me too much because the actors they got kind of filled the tropes that they were clearly going for and i was like that's enough for me i don't need the greatest performance i just need those tropes to be filled because i don't think the movie yeah but you can also you can also have those probes filled and have that performance elevated to what the film is because this is like a big deal movie and i know you and i disagree about potentially the quality of where it went but the yeah the story itself not the acting

34:34 yeah so i don't know i i i enjoyed the double lot so i i did too i really loved it i haven't even seen it in the japanese that's how much i love the english dub yeah that was gonna my last question before we move on was um you know what uh if you have experience with listening to the japanese do you think you could still recommend the dub over the sub to people who just asked you on the street probably yeah if you were like if you asked me what i which one i'd want to listen to i'd probably watch the dub of the sub but it's not because and like i've seen the the sub trailer but like i don't know i just i just i don't know i i much prefer the dub for this and i think it's because i think it's because the overall message

35:21 of what the movie was about resonated for me a lot and i think that especially coming from somebody who watches a lot of and has grown up especially in the age of the internet in the west uh i have some words about how much i i love the the end of this movie and how much i think people who are down on it are completely wrong about it i'll be happy for you to tell me why i'm wrong in just a few minutes but we can't really get to that discussion until we talk about the performers in this movie and we're going to start out with um a brief group who are not as prominent on the poster but they are prominent near the the last third of the movie we're

36:07 going to talk about the adults in the lives of our characters and we're going to talk about all of the basically suzu joins a like a after-school choir that is composed entirely of older women and we're going to talk about all of them and we're also going to talk about suzu's dad in this section as well because he doesn't have as much of a presence in the overall story but he's worth mentioning overall so who are the actors in this whole section here i'm gonna rattle them off here as long as they're voice actors just to give you a taste so we've got four women who are in this choir group that kind of act as suzu's backup helpers near the end of the movie they are kita voiced by jessica g george

36:53 yoshitani voiced by barbara goodson nakai voiced by wendy lee and okumoto voiced by ellen stern and of course to round this group off we have suzu's dad voiced by ben lepley now gigi mentioned before that uh this section here is where we're going to get legitimate legendary anime voice actresses who honestly we could have had as like bigger roles in the movie but they're we're glad to have them here because all of these actresses have been around for a while all these veteran voice actresses and ben lovely uh yeah yeah i was gonna say the women are veterans not so much suzu's dad but excuse me suzu's dad is a legend to me i know and i i know exactly why i

37:38 [ __ ] know exactly what i know well why is he a legend to megan because he voices a guy in fire emblems what's his name bisnatch [Laughter] don't you dare say my my fire asm husband is just some guy i be i could just say that because i know that'll make you mad jenny kick him in the nuts oh she already left there were no nuts to be kicked here but yeah ben lipley he's done other stuff before but he voices day do and don't do nothing oh my god we are not friends i don't [ __ ] know this boy i don't know this man he just showed up in my

38:24 house one day deju it's duju you ignorant [ __ ] it's not an insult megan if it's not true good lord anyway that we had to get that out of our system because yeah that's what ben is known for here in this group right here but i want to give a shout out to the actresses who are playing the other women here for example jessica g george uh she's been around for a long time in the anime voicing world she voiced bit parts and uh shows like apocalypse zero magic knight ray earth and metal fighter miku there's a there's there's a show that oh we're talking about a nice wholesome family film i don't know let's bring up a show i know apocalypse zero

39:10 i was only trying to illustrate how long she's been in the game but you're right that is out of character for the type of movie we're talking about that just shows how long she's been around um but that's not what i know her for personally um i i know her more because uh you ever seen this dinosaur movie called the lamb before time stop it who what the hell okay so not not the original never mind i don't care oh okay no she wasn't in the original but in the later movies and even the tv show for the land before time uh sarah gets a stepmom uh named tria and i didn't know this until i looked it up but jessica voices that character she's like the only recurring character that's not from previous earlier movies like she sticks around for my question is how did daddy

39:57 top's racist ass land a catch like that that is a br that is a great question and that's that's a bonus episode on our patreon that we are totally going to have the discussion of daddy tops with racism yes it is that that is worth a discussion after the tell you what we're done talking about bell we'll talk about that noah do you know i bought a pin that literally is little foot screaming tree stars this weekend is it that image with this mouth like a muppet where it's like wide open [Laughter] i'm so proud of you megan keep keep being you it literally stares at me as i record i'm sorry i'm gonna blitz through the next couple here because um uh what i say yoshitani is voiced by barbara

40:43 goodson do i need to listen anything here because it's barbara goodson she's reader repulsa she's been around for a long time she's um naoto and fully cooley she's just she's barbara goodson she doesn't need me to introduce her anymore wendy lee also does not need me to introduce her anymore because if you've been living under a rock on saturn in the 10th dimension then maybe you don't know who wendy lee is but you all know wendy lee because she's wendy lee my point stands and lastly ellen stern um that's uh one who uh you might not know as much because she hasn't been around as long as some of the other ones but she has been around since at least the mid-2000s because she voiced miyuki in no ween which i've been told to it actually aired on the sci-fi channel i didn't know that until recently

41:32 say it come on sit make it say the blooper come on do it oh wait wait i'll lead you up where did they go ah crispin get out of my bedroom and of course then i'm gonna do the dog and then i'm gonna do you there you go what oh have you never heard the bloopers no oh man they're literally there's a literal running gag that lasted as long as the two robber rob bloopers between yuri lowe and thawing oh my god i'll have to see if chris has it's hiding somewhere it's on the dvd so yes you should definitely track it also on the funimation release more than likely but the reason why we bring it up is because usually they delete crispin's bloopers because

42:18 they're so inappropriate that they don't keep them but the one that they kept and even christmas surprised they kept that was where are they i believe they both went to the waffle house what's that i'm gonna do the both of you and then i'm gonna do the dog just crispin freeman ladies and gentlemen i'm scared of you but and it has nothing to do with ellen stern um i'm sorry she's also been in skippy um if you've seen that show recently she was mrs tayet tauschee in that and if you're more of a gundam person she's played the role of martha in some stuff like gundam nt and gundam unicorn so that's what that's fun to talk about unfortunately i don't have many notes on

43:04 these uh this group of women because they're just kind of a group like the individual they are the best they are the best set of aunties that you could ever want as a girl going through a lot of trauma hell yeah also susan's dad exists yeah yeah that's literally what i wrote sorry ben lovely i love you but susie's dad literally just exists like do i know what i wrote down nothing almost i i had to write something so i wrote yep that's a dad all right end of sentence the dad was barely there just like in the movie just like in real life no i'm just kidding oh um no all the antis were like super passionate

43:51 and very they had good comedic timing and they were singing really well i was surprised about that oh yeah they're like they're great i love the auntie squad like i i love aunties i wish i had some aunties like that like i do have ants like that and they [ __ ] roll nice okay i aim to be an aunt like that okay technically you already are technically do they count if if two of them are gay men yes oh yes [ __ ] yeah my uncle's terry and tom count but the most important question is this group of aunties better than the group of aunties from turning red okay the ones in turning red were also mild inflicting mild generational trauma

44:38 so yes these ones are better yes they were me fair enough also you should all go watch turning red that movie's amazing turning red is great and may and better would be friends may and suzu would be buddies foley anticipating now that uh turning red will win the academy award for best animated feature at the 20th it's a good movie i know it's a good movie i'm just saying that it also is a pixar movie so it has to win it's got four town in it that's the best part [Laughter] i can't deny that i love that whole gag and then there's those two guys it's how boy bands work also yes mama soda did in fact draw bell draw uh maybe

45:24 yes he did i love that picture of him it's like a girl who left through time image with turning red characters it's great um voice acting on this um i think the only one of the aunties who kind of stands out is and i think it's wendy lee's character because she has a bit of a a tangent about how she loves them bad boys and when she was younger she wrote a song for one yes which also had a a call out to anybody who is into uh anime bad boys uh not two people that would be on this podcast absolutely [ __ ] not uh with the line i believe it's barbara goodson's one he goes oh do you think i can fix him [Laughter]

46:10 that's what all girls think we can fix anything i mean on the one hand i can fix it on the other hand he's [ __ ] up but i'm kind of liking him that way this is how we live our lives why not just go for a guy who's already fixed you know there is no such thing yeah if he's already fixed he can't give me babies true i didn't realize the trap i was walking into thank you for calling that up you walked right into that like a golden retriever to a glass door a golden retriever who also doesn't have his nuts one one one one one one haruka can i talk about my favorite golden

46:56 retriever nate archibald now who the [ __ ] is that i oh my god the guy on gossip girl calm down calm down well we'll get to it but we will we will not not in the next section i think it's in the section i thought it was this one he's the next person i wrote down i think i think you have to wait just a little longer but before i move on i just want to ask did did we have any other um you know positive praise to play upon the season voice actress squad oh yeah shout out to them for having issues with japan's [ __ ] child services rightfully so like yes apparently 48 hours apparently this has been like a long thing in anime like about how japan's child service checks suck ass uh because i was talking about this with

47:42 some friends on my discord and i was talking about how much i really like the end of this movie and somebody goes yeah i think it was josh he was like yeah higarashi prepared me for the fact that japanese child protective services [ __ ] sucks wow so that's not just a trope that's like an action yeah apparently it was also an important subplot and erased you know what i never thought about that like i knew that it was uh calling out the uh abusive parents but i didn't pick up on the fact that yeah why didn't protective services step in a little bit sooner man it's like protective services worldwide sucks ass i mean we just got i just got uh done

48:28 re-listening to odd taxi and i thought that protective services were a little more up and up but then i realized wait no it's not the japanese system that takes care of the character who loses their parents it's the mafia it's the yakuza who takes care of them the akkas are helping japan i mean have you played the yakuza games i think that's a plot point in the yakuza games of course i haven't we're going to talk about more video games here that i haven't played in just a bit oh boy but yeah so that's uh yeah so i'm glad that they got that little bit of uh social commentary in here and yeah as far as voice acting i think that this quartet of women is uh a lot of fun and needed to be in the movie more or at least their actresses did

49:14 someone who did not need to be in the movie more are the next two characters we're going to talk about we're going to talk about justin and we're going to talk about cayenne tomorrow's dad now why do we talk about these two put together we'll get we'll get to that guy from that show i thought first we gotta talk i thought he was justin he is oh yes you're right i'm sorry my credits are written backwards here okay so we'll cut down our boner for nothing look that lady boner's got to be kept in check all right if you if you over feed it it's gonna explode was it a [ __ ] crime don't masturbate after midnight or you'll get a second clitoris would that be so bad moving on uh so why are we talking about

50:01 these now chris can't talk about buttons i'm out at last finally we've assumed control on this episode of gossip girl and so very turned to our regular schedule on this very special episode of summer at the movies what's up what happens when the female libido gets just a little out of control well it's we call we talk about this so uh in this movie we've uh you know we're adapting beauty and the beast because belle is like belle beast is the beast so we gotta have a gaston character in here and that is justin in this movie justin is the leader of a

50:48 internet task force uh that essentially takes down people who aren't behaving themselves uh he's set up as a nightly character and every morning he eats two dozen nfts and now he's roughly the size of a barge cue the musical number so that's why we're we're grouping him in this section here because uh just like gaston he might not be as good as he come as he initially comes across but and someone who is really really not uh good at all is kai and thomas dad and yeah i'm not just mixing up his name because this is what we remember him as he doesn't have a name he doesn't have any identifying characteristics except for the fact that he is the dad to the characters of kai and tomo who we will

51:34 talk about in a bit and he is the world's biggest piece of [ __ ] him and justin are competing for it we were i justin's just kind of doing his job this dad is he though is he he was given a laser to show people who you really are and just because he was given the power to dox people doesn't mean he's a good guy oh i didn't say he was a good guy i just said that he's uh doing what he's supposed to do dads are not supposed to be domestic abusers which is exactly what yes and neither is just and justin is not to be abusive on the internet look do you really want me to rank between the two of these guys we just justin off the hook

52:22 okay that's fair that's fair i don't want to let him off the hook either uh just like i don't want to let their actors off the hook so yes yes let's get that lady boner back on screen here because i'm jordan let jesus come on screen jesus christ so justin is voiced by chase crawford and the dad is voiced by kif vandenhevel uh chase uh you know he hasn't really done a whole lot uh he's really not done a whole lot of voice over work because the only voice over work i could find in his resume is he's done bit voice roles in shows like robot chicken and family guy um you may have seen him in a recent show called the boys he plays the deep um but to everyone listening and probably most people around the world he got his notoriety playing a certain

53:10 character named nate archibald in this it's a hardly known show called gossip girl um one of those calls heard about it before god i love that show what is it i haven't i've heard of it it's teenage white girls doing terrible things they're all rich and they all live in new york and they all like drink a lot of champagne underage and it's uh it's wonderful and it's also a book series which has absolutely nothing to do pretty much with the tv show except the characters names and vague descriptions are sort of the same gotcha yes i read all the books thank you i [ __ ] love gossip girl it's [ __ ]

53:55 garbage and it's and [ __ ] chase crawford plays the world's biggest himbo nate archibald which is why this casting choice works anyway talk about the other guys so i can like i'm sorry justin is not a himbo yes he is no he's not he's a hero oh no no we are going to have a [ __ ] discussion about this himbos tv have three rules they must be big they must be stupid and they must be kind justin is none of those he is two out of three that is not that that is not enough term for the only time i guess chad would probably be more yes he's a chad not a himbo a himbo

54:42 is caught kamishin is a himbo i don't know gigi i would not let you group justin in the same category that includes illustrious uh characters like cronk from the emperor's new group or gallow yes like or yeah gallo from promere you don't want to get me started on the pro mirror train okay that's going to be another bonus podcast episode no it's not the gimbal episode do you not like pro mare i hate pro mare i think we talked about this a lot we did we talked about it in our in our movie i i do not like pro mayor and it is it is for a reason that is probably my own fault but i just

55:29 really did not like it and it lied to me i love you i love you but this is this feels like a betrayal i'm sorry if i hadn't had been told it was the gayest movie i would ever see and then the gay part was not even the gay part it was [ __ ] faked that maybe i would have liked it more it also tried to give me a seizure okay fair but it is so well then that i mean yeah i think i do think they they kind of oversold the gay part in the pro-mere build-up but i feel like that was more the fandom not really like the official marketing because i don't think the marketing was all like it's the gayest thing ever they got married in official merchandise they did they for [ __ ] sakes gigi her the robot is

56:14 one of them topping the other it was not enough well well i mean that that's typical mecca things you know it was not enough i feel lied to and betrayed well you know who else betrayed people uh is the dad in this group here because he will have words about him but how do you voice such a colossal awful domestic abuser person why you get kiff to voice him um not that he's uh an abusive person but he's definitely have he's had experience uh voicing one in particular now i could list off some of the voice over roles he's done like he's greg in the croods family tree tv show or he plays a side character of ambrose in the tom and jerry cartoons not the the ones

57:01 from the 40s but like the new 2010s one that was on cartoon network uh he even uh he was doing stuff as recently as uh this year because he voiced obadiah stain in the marvel what if series because getting jeff bridges back was just a little too expensive but i have a feeling that most people here are going to know him for one particular video game and that is playing the character of comstock in bioshock a game which i have not played oh man i don't know oh man [ __ ] comstock was it bioshock infinite yeah bioshock oh man that's a [ __ ] game that's a game that has not aged well i don't know anything i played i played

57:48 all of them let's just say he is a very alt-right politician in that game oh great yeah it's it's that game is a lot that game is that game is really trippy it's a lot and it's the only fps game i think i've ever finished the story for oh and that includes splatoon oh man i've never finished the story more first person voice acting let's talk about voice acting yeah let's talk about let's talk about nate archibald here and um now this is where i think we were talking earlier about how um the this is a named voice and i'm sorry a named actor like he's literally the first name on this yeah which is kind of [ __ ]

58:35 you're not wrong it's it's not like he's the most prominent person in the movie justin shows up like three times he shows up when the beast first shows up to kind of explain the task force he's in charge of he's interrogating to try to find the castle he burns the [ __ ] down ed then he's just he's a plot device near the end of the movie um but his i mean to be fair gaston is also a plot device but he's a hunky plot device but he had a little more depth to him in the in that movie but in this movie uh his voice is the archetypal um like stoic no not so it's not the right word um like jock male kind of character he's that alpha businessman voice

59:22 yeah yeah and i'm sorry i'm kind of blanking on like uh a comparison or i'm sorry an equivalent role from another anime to compare it to at the moment but it didn't bug me like even though he's a celebrity with uh very little voice acting experience it's not like this character i felt called for a whole lot of nuance to begin with so i i like i was fine with the archetype just the way it was i'm not as much fine with it because i do think that justin's character is a little bit more nuanced or at least i don't think you're giving what the character stands for enough okay i think that justin is he he himself is a shitty person but i think he represents kind of a lot of what ends up being um

1:00:10 kind of what the big fever dream is the fever is of the movie which is the right to how much society deems internet society can deem someone to become unworthy of the persona that they have because a big thing that they make very clear early on is that wow from suzu and hiroka's perspective that is wow justin must be such a good person if all of these corporate sponsors are behind him and what he's doing that was a little on the nose he's like a good person and and a lot of what the early parts of this movie when the dragon is introduced

1:00:56 is that essentially hiraka and and and suzu try to dox him and a lot of the movie is spent trying to figure out who the dragon is from suzu's point it's it's a curiosity thing of i want to know who you are hiraka kind of takes it as well you ruined my best friend's performance how dare you i want to get revenge on you for ruining her moment but for everybody else it becomes this huge big spectacle of we're going to out this person no matter who they are what they did what their life is because it has become a big mysterious game and justin is the big hero in it and we want to find out who he is because everybody

1:01:41 else said that we should find out who he is except for little kids all the little kids on you love him and don't want him out in they think he's a hero because we don't understand until later on later on about it it's probably likely that everyone's like oh he just gets into fights just to beat people up it's probably that the dragon as you learned later on was probably defending people from bullies on you because that's why he took on this appearance based off of his feelings yeah the appearances in the in the virtual reality aren't just like customizable i want to look like this it's a direct reflection of your persona who you want to be

1:02:28 like how soon ends up looking like ruka because she thinks ruka is popular and pretty but deep down she still wants to be herself that's why belle has the freckles so to me what justin represents is an eventual rejection of the idea of doxing for sport in a sense that justin exists not to quote unquote be the law because me you needs law it's i'm the law because people are doing things on the internet that i don't like and i want to get rid of them but people don't but people think i'm being a good guy because i make that person look like an [ __ ] therefore when i do shine my light on them and unveil them as the

1:03:13 person they're trying to hide uh and show everybody what a freak and a weirdo they are i'm still in the right and i have all this backing it's why when at the towards the end of the movie in the penultimate song um normally the person who gets changed back in the beauty and the beast story is the beast in this case it's belle in in suzu asserting her own agency to reclaim the idea that she had to be belle for anyone to listen to her because that's what justin says nobody cares that suzu is a mousy nobody but when it came down to it suzu being a mousy nobody who shared the same trauma as k and tomo because one of

1:04:02 the big things that you see early on in the movie and i do think that the twist with k and tomo is actually set up really well via subtle hints okay and yeah i will disagree with that later on is that early on in the movie you see a news thing with kay and tomo's dad talking about how they lost their moth their mother and they're trying to keep it together sure sure it was included earlier i think and there are other things like about how the angel is always the first person to find belle because to them bell is something belle is a mousy nobody like them in a sense because the first thing you see when bell starts singing the first time is everybody calls her a drama queen blah blah blah so to me the idea that chase crawford gives just a serviceable performance to justin is not really fair to what justin

1:04:49 represents thematically i think that you could have had a more established voice actor come in and give it that little bit more depth and i of all things a little more threatening because i never felt menace or that's right what i think menace or threat from chase's justin because like they set up the laser being a huge [ __ ] deal and despite the fact that the actress who plays bell does a really good job of feeling really scared in those moments yeah i don't think chase's performance is as threatening to live up to it if anything he sounds more annoyed that he's having to go through all this when it's kind of clear to me that i think justin's

1:05:35 getting off on the chase like this is a huge deal for him because it's going to make him look even better than he already does he's going to out the dragon who's been causing all this trouble and he's going to be the hero if he's going to be he is the gaston figure into this along honestly with kay and tomo's father um he doesn't have like that's the one thing too is if we're gonna this is a beauty and the beast story and if we're going to compare it to arguably what is the most famous rendition of beauty and the beast being the 1992 1991 of course it was the year it came out it was born in the year it came out

1:06:21 uh 1992 was the year aladdin came out thank you very much and there was no movie in 1993 because they were trying to make the lion king and so that came out in 94 and take the mic away from me i've got too much but like if you compare how cara is here's the other thing too i don't think the case is just in performance was also charismatic like when i think of a gaston figure they have to be as much threat as m as they are charismatic because the rest of the townspeople have to be in on their [ __ ] and i think that chase's performance was just a little bit of a letdown especially compared to some of the some of the actresses were about actors and actresses were about to talk about

1:07:07 and then kim i think actually does a really good performance for how little he has to do like that scene in the rain where he's screaming at suzu he's powering up in the ring and he's gonna try to punch her but in that moment he realizes he can't because deep down like justin he is a coward who hides behind the power that he has like the only reason he thought he could get away with k and tomo is because he did like gaston did he put on a face outside to the world for everybody to see and it's only when tomo was streaming did anybody catch them and even then like the doxing people saw

1:07:53 it as a funny joke it was funny to them to watch portomo get picked on by his dad and abused and just yeah that was and it's that was very emblematic of internet culture and like yeah it was and i think that that brutality is needed because of where the movie goes where it's with its message and i think kim did a really good his name is kip right okay cool i i keep on thinking of futurama kip that's why um but overall like i really like kim's small performance i do think chase did a serviceable job but i do think a more established voice actor could have brought a little bit more depth to justin's performance yep i'm sorry that i

1:08:39 no no i agree with a lot of the things that you said and i [ __ ] love chase crawford i love chase crawford nate archibald again the ultimate himbo which is why the whole time i was watching justin i was like oh okay the ultimate himbo but like i didn't get any intimidation from him like i didn't get anything threatening like at least at the end of beauty and the beast when gaston is up on the the roof in the rain like he is like scary or like when he's throwing belle's dad into the cage or whatever yeah like he's scary and so like the gaston figure here is supposed to be a mixture of justin and those kids dad and kip did an amazing job he was way

1:09:26 more threatening and intimidating than justin was and oh yeah like i just like he chase i think tried like he doesn't really have experience in this kind of work and so i think he did the best that he could but it's hard to to overcome the stereotypes and i have not seen the boys so i don't know what his character is in the boys but it's hard to overcome the stereotypes of a character that you're mostly known for who is like the biggest himbo and you know i'm sure i'll get hate from other gossip girl fans who have have watched it don't spoil me either i'm still on season four like i still don't know who gossip girl is please don't tell me how many seasons are there

1:10:11 six or seven gosh darn but like i i really hated the end of season three and then i stopped watching it um and now i just turned on season four again like right before we started recording this because god damn i love i love i love chase crawford even though i'm sure you'll all know this that i am a chuck bass girl chuck bass the scum of the earth yes we know how that works um but yeah he just wasn't intimidating like the voice wasn't intimidating i wanted i wanted a lot more especially because his name was so high on the poster and like before i knew anything about this movie i was like holy [ __ ] chase crawford is gonna be in this and then i it took me a couple scenes to figure out who he was and then i was

1:10:58 like oh that's weird does his voice in this movie does chase's voices justin sound at all like nate in gossip girl no because nate is kind of like really laid back and kind of like a stoner and he's like the quintessential prep boy like he it's not like this at all which it's like a complete like you have to get to that point to be very intimidating and sound very threatening and i just he didn't do it and like i said i haven't seen him in the boys so i don't know anything else he's acted in except i think he was in like a movie that i watched once a long time ago um but i think kip did an amazing job i wish they

1:11:44 could have pulled more out of chase but to be fair out of the quote-unquote you know famous people who are in this cast he is not the worst quote unquote oh i think i know which one you think is not going to be the best one and we'll get to that in a bit we'll get to that yeah i know i agree with you megan now see i can't entirely agree on the uh the sense that chase's performance needed to be more threatening and intimidating because here's the difference justin is not a romantic interest at all gaston in all adaptations that he's been included into be at the uh the original jean cocteau movie where he first got introduced or the disney version or any other adaptations that have included a gaston

1:12:30 character he's supposed to be a romantic interest to bell and justin is not at all he has no romantic interest in belle in fact it his inclusion in this felt very tertiary like we need to have a gaston character but him being a romantic interest to suzu would throw off the dynamic of the movie so we're just going to keep some of his elements and those elements are that he is uh a mascot hero to the denizens of this internet and that yeah he thinks he's better than the people that he hunts quote unquote um so yeah i again i i don't agree with these two exactly and that chase needed to be that different i think the way that he was directed was just as wishy-washy as the character itself was

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