Dub Talk Presents: Summer at the Movies (Season 8 Finale) - Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero

0:06 note this is not the full film of Dragon Ball super superhero rather this is a review of the English dub of the film the full film can be purchased digitally on Prime video and is available on Blu-ray and 4K HD from the Crunchyroll store or wherever physical anime is sold please support the official release sincerely the dub Talk podcast warning the dub Talk podcast contains language that might be unsuitable for younger audiences listener discretion is advised also there might be spoilers for Dragon Ball super superhero or any other anime so please take that into consideration if there are any films or shows you haven't finished yet and finally the opinions shared within this

0:53 episode are those of the individual hosts and do not represent the dub Talk podcast as a whole enjoy the show last time on summer at the movies Spaceman Hardy and lilac tried to save the forest with the aid of the feral yet beautiful princess monoke Noah clue in roots of Justice traveled to the mystical land of gibbera with the aid of two unlikely friends in erest and celin classy Spartan and Jet zero Infinity try to escape a moment trapped in time in the land of

1:38 Moshi jamstar and red tiger tackle trying to make a feature film with an unusual director from pompo the copile Gigi and queen era get lost in the land of the unknown while gawking at just how hot Dan Green sounds in Pokemon spell of the unknown and am on and lack the Watcher team up to learn just how hype basketball really is in the first slam duck Now All That Remains is one final gargantuan opponent one of the biggest anime and media franchises in history join classy sparton lack the Watcher

2:25 jamstar and Spaceman Hardy as we strike a get our theme music going and wear some kickass capes as we take things to the next Dimension this is Dragon Ball super superhero da God you're a nerd [Music] ah hey guys how's it going everybody uh thanks for making it all the way this is our summer of the movies season 8 finale as I hope everybody knows at this point of what this is we are going to be

3:14 covering the previous latest iteration of the Dragon Ball super movie was it Trilogy of the Quad Trilogy it is like the fourth of the new movie era but it is the latest Dragon Ball media anime up until uh dragon ball di comes out later this year I kind of consider this its own thing with Broly like it's like a Broly Trilogy if that makes any sense but I I I Feel Like You could argue about the continuity of what super is but I think at the very least we realized we have wanted to cover a Dragon Ball movie for a while and we figured there was a couple of

3:59 choices to choose from about which ones to do but I think this year had to be the year for a very specific reason because early this year we lost the late and great airator so half of this episode is very much going to be talking about the movie superhero cuz there's plenty there is enough in here to talk about and things I definitely want to talk about but I think before we start that I kind of do want to actually open up with

4:45 our group of Z Fighters what does Dragon Ball mean to you who wants to go first the floor is open but I will pick people La you're already talking all right um my first experience with Dragon Ball Z was actually pretty interesting um my mom had a work friend who um because he lived pretty far away he would sometimes stay at our house uh so that uh so that he could get to work easier he actually brought over cuz I had a PS2 at the time he actually

5:31 brought over Dragon Ball Z buai ten kai3 so that was actually my first introduction to Dragon Ball and it was which is really interesting and I kind of fell out of Dragon Ball for a long time after that because I didn't really watch anime until I was like 17 and after that I I got into it and I I got into it around the time that Kai came out and so I wasn't really Jaded by like the kai dub I was like oh this is supposed to be more accurate so I should watch this instead so sorry I I'm sorry if that makes anybody mad but that's just how I rationalized it I'm going to be real with you that Dragon Ball Z Kai is a completely fair and reasonable way

6:16 to consume the series at this point and I I I continue to be baffled by people who say at this point the original iteration as it was is better I think at this point kind of the kai hatred has died down cuz the kids who watch Kai are now growing up so um well I have you know that there are people that just refuse to grow up even now it's okay obviously but um yeah and watching Kai and watching how all the actors who did the dub kind of grew as actors I really started to make me appreciate a lot of the interesting character ideas that Dragon Ball actually has I mean on the surface yes

7:02 it is just about like overpowered dudes punching each other but and I think this movie particularly has a great sense of that as well is the Dragon Ball series is a lot about like the funny mundane aspects of life but just with superpowered beings and I I think that's what I really started to appreciate about Dragon Ball and what I really appreciated about Aira toriyama's writing Toriyama is not the deepest writer on the planet he never was but that's okay because at the end of the day Dragon Ball is supposed to be a comedy comic it just so happens Toriyama really got into like martial arts and fighting and superpowers and all that stuff the entirety of Dragon Ball is a

7:48 man just kind of Reinventing the wheel time and time again yeah and it's just this is a man who real it's eventually just kind of a guy starting a silly Adventure comic making it a martial arts comic making it an action-packed super superhero show more or less and then kind of reeling it back and realizing he miss writing gags about centi and poop right so but you know what that's what's beautiful about this franchise is that you can do that and it all feels genuine like it all feels like it fits in the zeist of Dragon Ball and I love that and I think that's why I do appreciate this series it's not my favorite anime but I do appreciate it and I like it when I

8:34 watch it and I I it exist Dragon Ball existing means every single one of your favorites exists because Dragon Ball exists yes and without Gohan we wouldn't have kichi from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure so I'll say that that might come up tonight oh no kidding all right uh Jamal what is your history with the Dragon Ball series uh my earliest exposure to the franchise was like I think 1996 I remember I saw a few Snippets of Dragon Ball Z here deal where was on tabi years

9:20 ago I never really CAU on to it to be honest it was only in my later years that I well I say got into it but I Dragon Ball Z to be is like one piece to GG I I understand the culture I understand the like guys I'm not willing to go through uh all the media so to speak but I get it it is something to be appreciated for that the handy works of toiyama actually reaches other artists to the point it that it kind of that also exposes my inner circle like he reaches into my inner circle of friends as well because

10:06 I have met some people it's amazing how you can tell uh about a person just by if they watch anime or not cuz I've met some people who watch anime met some people who have it and then there are people who watch anime who well most people like me would know Dragon Ball Dragon Ball Z the franchise by osmosis like I I got know what goes on because I know some somebody else that knows what goes on like they've watched this stuff and they've talked about it so much that it's kind of partially absorbed into my brain I I have I have a couple co-workers I remember one day cuz I know one of my co-workers watch adim Mak I've seen him with a Naruto socks on but uh he asked me one day after the blue if I knew who blue was and my first instinct

10:53 was not Dragon Ball but boo from the Mario franchise which oh my goodness which okay you got to keep in mind I'm working on the hotline of the conditions my brain is not thiing fast enough I probably would have thought the same thing which ionically enough that may come up tonight for a certain reason so so it took me a few seconds I was like oh not Mario you idiot meant Dragon Ball Z and I was I was kind of I was kind of surprised he even asked me to have the blue cuz like I never told anybody if I ever watched anime or anything at work except maybe one other person but he used ask me about uh getting into anime so he definitely has toy Alma definitely

11:41 has the reach with his works and uh even though I haven't watched the majority franchise I do share it a pains when it comes to continuities and uh Rons and AR and stuff because okay I may not be a DBC fan but I am a set Moon fan so when it comes to toy properties it all kind of it all kind of feels like you shed the same Connection in a different way you know yeah all righty Hardy it's interesting and I didn't realize until many years later that Dragon Ball was not actually my first um interaction with Akira toyama's work as you no doubt know my favorite video game of all time is Chrono Trigger

12:26 and he did the character designs for that and looking back and forth between all his various Works between this and Dragon Ball and Chrono Trigger and Dragon Quest even you definitely get to see his patterns his his uh designs how he how he comes up with his very very unique art style lots of round things um but yeah no my first experience with Dragon Ball proper was when it was on tsunami during the afternoons um that was back when FUNimation only had the first few episodes and it were it had the ocean

13:13 dub we all remember the infamous Rock the dragon intro everybody hated um but yeah I would I got to the point to where I was hooked and so it got to the point and where they ran out of episodes and the next day came and I'm like where's Dragon Ball what's going on and this was before the internet was a big thing and so I had no idea this show was actually from the 80s already I had no idea it was so old it because it was for flesh fledgling young child like me this stuff was brand new I needed more of it and so um I think what happened to me to kind of made me fall off Dragon Ball for a while it's definitely the Frieza

14:00 fight I'm sorry no I it's fair I can suspend my disbelief to accept giant monkey men throwing Fireballs at each other but I cannot I cannot I cannot accept five minutes being stripped over 17 episodes I'm sorry I can't do it and so yeah when the free it is there's a lot of things that get made fun of in Dragon Ball I'd say the this planet will blow up in 5 minutes is probably one of the most like oh this is so you are just wrong yeah so yeah I have issues with pacing issues with that but and so as as a result I never really picked it back up after uh

14:47 the the Frieza art because um once again FUNimation had run out of license episodes to put on tsunami and so they put it on Hiatus for a while and um after that I just sort of like yeah you know I'm I'm I'm cool and so to this day I still have not finished Mainline Dragon Ball Z all the way through but I do know various enough to go and understand what's going on I do like the movies um for the most part except for biob Broly no one likes that one um but yeah no you you know how you know your movie is bad when there is not a single game that has ever made biob Broly a character right but if it wasn't for Dragon Ball Z

15:32 don't don't count sparking zero out okay okay if this comes out and sparking zero makes a biob Broly character I will eat my words but I'm going to call [ __ ] and say there is no way they're going to make biob Broly in that base roster and nobody's gonna pay for him for TLC sorry Hardy go on all right but yeah um yeah no getting back into the movies is sort of have sort of reignited my enjoyment of the series as a whole because they're they don't have the pacing issues that the series did and so they're they're quick like oneandone adventure stories featuring our favorite

16:19 characters and um and yeah that's what made me enjoy this movie in particular so much especially considering Piccolo was always my favorite character from the very beginning I don't think he ever got enough real screen time during during the series runs so that's all I have to say about everyone liked their Super Saiyans and whatnot I was always a piccolo guy ah so tonight's discussion is very much for you MH Dragon Ball has kind of always been in my life the more I think about it as kind of as far back as I can remember when I loved it when I was obsessed with it or when I was kind of like H I'm too cool for Dragonball now I

17:07 don't there's other shows for me and then realizing okay no this actually was pretty good all along it was always there I stuck with it for tunami pretty much like cuz I'm I'm a little younger than you guys I was born in 96 so Dragon Ball was always there for me it was always on tunami that was the Advent of Funimation and Atari putting out a bunch of Dragon Ball video games over here so even if I wasn't always watching the show I was always picking up the Budokai I pck played pretty much all of the Budokai all the Budokai ten kaichi I played sagas and sagas is dog [ __ ] did

17:56 you ever play um G GT real bout I never played GT Real Bout don't play GT Real Bout It is crap oh yeah I know about GT real bout I feel like if I played that when it first came out it would have blown my mind because it been hey look they're on Namek what the [ __ ] a Super Saiyan 4 like that would blow any kids mind over here but Dragon Ball was always there it was always something that made I had so many action figures I had so many toys I was the kid that would make a bunch of collectors and like hardcore like never removed from

18:41 box like collectors angry cuz I would buy like one of those like collector figures open it out of the box because I want the cool giant figure of Super Saiyan 4 goeta or Broly and I was like yeah I'm like a Toy Story Toy Story [ __ ] me up as a kid because every time I watched it I'm like oh all of my broken dvz toys are going to kill me in my sleep cuz I played with those a lot and some of them have have seen better days I'll say that but it was kind of always important to my life and has always been a thing even when Dragon Ball went away I got really into team fourstar and Dragon

19:28 Ball Z bridged and that was like I remember going to Battle of Gods in the theater and there was so much camaraderie there of everybody just shouting DBZ at Bridge quotes and that was a community in and of itself was just fans of DBZ ab brid and how much those guys loved that material and made me appreciate it a lot more the games it got me through hard times my I was just talking to my mom today and we were just reminiscing about like that time we went on a shitty camping trip and it was cold and it was raining and she was miserable and she says the one bright spot of that

20:13 trip was that my little child brain kept her distracted from how cold and shitty it was by quizzing her on Dragon Ball Z trivia all night just like literally just like cold shitty what planet is this guy Goku from who's his father uh what did this battle with Majin bu what was the outcome of this battle with Majin Buu and it just that was just a memory a core memory of like getting through hard times was what Dragon Ball was to me literally just today she was telling me like hey uh I saw a car while down here in Florida visiting your sister which which

20:58 one is this is this Goku or is this one Vegeta what did his hair look like uh black and spiky I need more details mother um okay is the hair shooting out or is it like standing up it's kind of standing up that's Vegeta all right okay your sister was right thank you that was just today before I told her yeah I'm doing a podcast about Dragon Ball Z she's like oh that's really funny like yeah it's near and dear to my heart it's always been near and dear to my heart there's always been shows there's always been games there's always been good movies there's always been shitty movies there's always been liveaction shitty movies and I'm so shocked it's taking

21:46 this long for us to finally finally finally talk about a Dragon Ball Z movie or Dragon Ball super movie in this case on The dubt Talk podcast shall we get into it gentlemen yes please we shall sure as always we start with our ADR director and ADR script writer for this particular movie our ADR director is Jared green and our ADR director is a man who is quite intimate with this franchise Christoper R Sabbath Jared green has written for anime dubs such as decadence a stab life Great Escape Kaiju number eight

22:32 megalobox 2 Nomad and ranking of kings and Christopher sabbot has directed things such as Gunslinger Girl kicha salty Ray pretty much every DBZ show movie and game under the sun to some degree to the point that he literally opened up a recording studio almost 20 years ago where one of their main exports is just Dragon Ball Z game dubs at this point and of course let's not forget the creme DEA creme The Citizen Cane of his career Chuck-E-Cheese in the Galaxy 5000 I knew that was

23:19 coming Zoom gas for the win I I thought it was I thought it was screaming lesbians in crayon shinshan lesbians lesbians oh yeah you did so much better lag all right hire me sabbot sorry anyway God there's so many so there's a on the one hand this should seem like a simple discussion but on the one hand it's also a very hard discussion because the sound of what Dragon Ball Z Sounds like has effectively been like

24:05 fermented and cooked to Perfection over the course of like 30 years give or take probably longer than that I will say longer than that something I'm glad about this franchise is that it hasn't devolved into self- parody at this point like it feels as Earnest as it did when it first premiered still I think I think it depends who or what you ask but I think there's definitely something to be said that like post Dragon Ball Evolution spite era there was a big Toriyama just like I don't want this

24:52 to be the legacy of Dragon Ball and basically just made an entire new franch just because I mean Battle of Gods is great in my opinion I think Battle of Gods is great and a lot of those characters and a lot of the legacy of Battle of Gods revitalized the modern Dragon Ball as we know it and that was what almost a decade ago yeah I know it's crazy to think how old Battle of Gods is now oh that's and it was it was like the thing that brought back Dragon Ball that's what's so crazy cuz the most recent things of the Dragon Ball Z anime really were like the the years when I was born like

25:37 I think GT was new when I was a literal baby right and then there that show also had a literal baby but that's not her he's probably not canon anymore yeah uh but no this movie the dub sounds great I think it's fun because it's got a lot of like the old guard but I also feel like a lot of the new cast is fun in the sense that it feels like a lot of them are like some of the biggest upand comers of like the modern video game anime dubbing era in a sense too which I also find pretty

26:24 amusing I don't think it was intentional but I think it was very am using it's also just got a lot of fun casting of a lot of the new casts including one that we we're going to talk about it you yeah I completely forgot about this until I just read it in the list and and if people didn't look some of them might not know yeah but it's yeah so this movie sounds great I think the script is the right l level of like comic comic book seems the right word it's a good cartoon and it's a good comic book and it sounds like a good

27:09 comic book in cartoon with sort of Punchy dialogue a lot of these characters a lot more realized in what I say are fun Slice of Life scenarios which I really really like some characters can literally create Animas in this yeah and then just you know the Dragon Ball School of training is a rigorous and cruel mistress but it can turn coals into diamonds and at this point some of the people in this cast are just pure gems at how [ __ ] wild they can scream so yeah any

27:55 thoughts oh yeah it's good it's the best that Dragon Ball has sounded in its entirety um because we can all remember when the the earlier dubs was out both the ocean and the early FUNimation dubs weren't very highly looked at very or they weren't considered very great when the show came out and they did take a lot more liberties with the script that sort of made a lot of fans not so happy I think with the cast that they have and with the experience that they have now and the way that modern dubs have just evolved and improved uh at this point it's it's the best that Dragon Ball has ever

28:40 sounded and they're still able to the writing is still able to P put a few jokes in there here and there like did did pants teacher even have a name in the Japanese dub I'm not I feel like it must have been Janet in the Japanese but I do enjoy that her name yeah J yeah we have this super minor character and they actually named her and uh and now you see people shipping her with Piccolo and it's the funniest thing I think also there's a lot that can be praised about like Dragon Ball and its designs it's nice that she just looks

29:30 normal yeah yeah that's that's the nicest that's the nicest way I'm going to say she just looks no General black is literally in the first minute of this movie y'all know what I'm talking about mhm but yeah no this is it sounds great it looks greatway can we just say I hate everybody who plays the the card of it CG therefore it looks cheap and lazy I think this movie looks excellent oh yeah genuinely creative inventive in a way that like it is similar in

30:16 aesthetic to like Dragon Ball Fighters and that's a good thing like I I love the fact that a lot of recent dragon ball movies have been effectively inventive creative like Proving Grounds of animation for the team at toi where I'm like that's what dragon ball should be it should be these weird creative showoff scenarios to do weird and interesting animation it doesn't need to be power scales it doesn't need to be super saiyan 17 it just needs to be weird and cool and fun and creative that's what I think yeah this dub really sounds good Jared has a great script

31:04 Chris is this is him Dragon Ball Z and Christopher sabot are pretty much like tied at the hip at this point it's like epcar and lupon mhm it's it is like the peanut butter and the chocolate it's just that level of like their very lives and careers are intertwined together so it's clear that it's something that is near and dear to his heart and this dub just sounds really good exactly I mean what else is still to say I mean and this is coming from a franchise that's not only opened one but two Studios cuz if you remember the whole law about FUNimation is kind of

31:49 impressive which is still wasn't it in a bank huh didn't the record didn't old animation used to be like in a bank or something I think so I can't remember exactly I just remember him LW about gen Fu kanaga his uncle was the one that uh brought him this idea about bringing Dragon Ball to the US which if you look at past attempts I think that was probably well suited and you know stood the test of time 30 years later and like like you said it's kind of hard to yeah they had had made some mistakes in the past which led up to maybe developing this movie really well CU I

32:35 still remember the uh one scene from a Dragon Ball super where uh trugs is uh persuaded the police to not attack Goku oh no no I'm not going to finish that sentence but you know exactly what I mean I I know exactly what it is look some of that is just it's toway is a company that is Japanese in its very nature and they are very very specific with what they want to be translated and set to page and so yes and as I have told you time and time again toway is going to toway no matter how good a product may be there might end up being one or two flaws to get through depending on how you look at it it to

33:22 the animation company is impressive Studio toway the money-making capitalist company is Hardy what is that you always used to say to me back on the FUNimation forums toway is kooky toway is kooky also for those who don't know the line yes I will say it I will be brave and say it the line is don't shoot that man isn't black you you know somebody on the localization team was like are you are you sure are you sure you want to say like we're okay okay you know it's not like it's not like Dragon Ball

34:07 doesn't have a huge black fan base or anything like that right I Dragon Ball has a continental franchise fan base that we will entire festivals have existed Latin America turned Jiran versus Goku into a title fight there was parades in honor of toriyama's passing it's like it is a cultural phenomenon to every kid every generation every country dragonall always was and always will be and the dub of this still sounds really good so Props to Jared props to Chris this is a really simple but also

34:54 really difficult episode to go because a lot of it is like like kind of getting a lot of my personal feelings about Dragon Ball as a franchise into this as well as also what I think about the movie which I think it's a very fun and I think it's a very cute movie I'll say this real quick about the dub overall I think it really helps the fact that these act a lot of these actors have been working together for so long that the chemistry between them and the characters kind of bleeds into one another I think that's fair and I definitely agree that is that is a part of it too and yeah I dove just sounds really

35:40 good and it's time to talk about some of the most important characters in the series and in the recent iterations of Dragon Ball and most of them aren't even in the movie for that long so here we're going to talk about Goku and Vegeta the titular characters of this movie who for the sake of this movie are just written out of the movie they get a scene together they get a training fight because they're continuing their training with whis on whis's plan on beerus's planet but this time they now have an Entourage so we're going to talk about

36:27 Goku and J we're also going to talk about whis beerus and even Broly because those are all the new film Edition characters that are showing up for future iterations of this franchise whis beerus and Broly got get to return for future iterations of this franchise or we're a big part of Dragon Ball super and of course we're talking about Bulma who God if there's one character I feel has really benefited from the new era of Dragon Ball Z animation it's Bulma Bulma had a rough start because a

37:13 lot of people's introductions to Bulma in like the United States was kind of Bulma at her worst in The namk Saga but I feel like they've figured out what makes Bulma work is that she's kind of just this Rich powerful Ally that's kind of funny in that she's not afraid of gods and aliens and like things that can blow up the planet anymore it doesn't even face her she has Mystical Dragon Balls and she guards them for the sake of making her ass bigger she ha

38:00 [Music] [Applause] maxing God all right so there's going to be other characters we can mention in this section too but those are the ones I feel warrant at least mentioning who plays them and going over some of their credits so starting us off the one and only son Goku himself is sha shml Vegeta is Christopher R sabbot whis is Ian clay beerus the God of destruction is Jason Douglas Broly is Johnny Young BOS and BMA is Monica RI sha shml has played characters such as Yoshino buida in Mars red vellan

38:45 crowler in Yu-Gi-Oh GX Lucario in Lucario and the Mystery of Mew black Doom in Shadow the Hedgehog and this is one I thought was really funny The Monkey King son Wukong in Lego monkey kid talking about making full circle talk about full circle yes because Goku was based off of one sunlu Kong uh Christopher R sabot I'm not talking about yet we will talk about him later Ian Sinclair has played characters such as Brooke in one piece o shoi in my hero Academia Victor leaked in fire

39:31 force Koto bokuto in highq and a personal one Ronaldo in the vampire dies in no time Crunchyroll Dub Season 2 you [ __ ] Jason Douglas has played characters such as Guild AR's Clive in fairy tale heer in frean Beyond Journey's End kishibe in chainsaw man aliji or Kuan in one piece and tomomi masaoka in Psychopaths don't forget Johnny Young Bosch I what don't forget he also got shot in the dick by Mickey roor in Sin City did he really mhm he was one of the two assassins who try to attack Marv at the beginning I did not know that actually

40:17 that's pretty funny and I'm going to be honest I added Broly in here as a last minute thing so I did not write Johnny Young Bosch credits so I'm I'm going to be real with you I'm going to have all of you shout Johnny Young BOS rolls to me because I'm sure you can all think of at least one lch Vash Louch codeos what Vash Vash is sayp Jamal uh aamus s Moon got it okay and one more one more one more L Full Metal Alchemist full male what yeah yeah you a full male Alchemist oh yeah the original yeah I did not know that one actually [ __ ] it was it was a one shot character he was in one episode but I was like oh hey

41:04 that's Johnny Young BOS he was in this I didn't know that that's a deep ass cut I I want okay yukoh from Blue Exorcist is the first one that comes to mind I don't know why that one's the first rosu rosu in uh G lagon right I had an obvious one if we ain't go f yeah look look just say the Power Rangers I know you want to say the Power Rangers one go for it yeah Adam Park of course okay he's been a few things and of course Monica Riel is Bulma who has played characters such as suu aswi in my hero Academia Ashira in Golden KY m kurame in Fruits Basket subaki nakas suasa in Soul Leader and mayor Jan

41:49 Strauss in fairy tale also we can of course mention any another minor character that show up throughout the movie that at least have a couple minutes of fame uh shout outs to Robert McCullum getting to play Goten for the first time since Dragon Ball GT because this movie actually allows Goten to age up again yeah and Toriyama did it this time so it's gonna stick that way okay so like I I need to I need to talk about that one line that I call [ __ ] so much oh saying stay pretty small for a long time until one day we suddenly hit a crazy grow spurt is hilarious because

42:36 it's tried to justify the fact that Goten and Trunks are 13 in Dragon Ball super and they look the same as they did when they were eight it it it is but also there is a precedent for that because remember Goku was very small for many years until he shot up Gohan was like 11 during the Cell Games and he was like way larger than Goten was in the entirety of super yeah I think they just didn't care to make a new design for them but now that it's now that pan is in the picture and older now they're like okay I guess we should have teenage Goten now so

43:23 shout out to Rob mcum actually getting to come back and play team go on go exactly [ __ ] that it's cool I get Goten and Gohan always confused but it is cool that yeah he came back for for Goten that they were like hey Robert you want to come in and play Goten so and I I think this this goten's not a [ __ ] boy like GT Goten nobody is a [ __ ] up no he he was he was he literally did not go on the mission because I think he was busy trying to get a date it's it's a whole thing G GT has very much been erased from the cannon uh this movie is interesting

44:10 because I feel like you could tell it was ridden by a specific type of person in that all the Dragon Ball stuff is written very like varying different people have like says of who gets a show show off or not this movie was not written by a Goku fan this movie feels like it was written by somebody who's really tired of Goku being in the Limelight and that's why he loses his little Duel at the end with Vegeta which that's a great Moment by the way but that's why it feels like Goku is like slightly dumber and more absent in this movie than he has been in like literally any other I actually don't feel that way

44:58 interestingly enough I actually liked Goku in this for the short scene he was in because I like the fact that he was kind of the opposite now of the way he was at the beginning of Broly cuz at the beginning of the Broly movie he's like you know whatever Frieza probably you know it's probably fine that frieza's back and now he's kind of chastising like Vegeta for just sitting around not training or at least what he thinks is not training which I actually really liked that I was like oh cool so it's like Goku has kind of changed his tune from like the previous movie that's actually nice so fair fair enough but yeah Shan shmel is very much it is a second skin for him at this point to play Goku as it is for Sabbath to play

45:47 Vegeta it is there are voices that I have heard my entire life and they have developed these roles these characters and like what they're supposed to sound like like there are people who have gone their entire lives and never spent as much time with a single role or character as Shawn and sabot have with Goku and Vegeta which is in itself kind of amazing the more you think about it frankly kind of awesome okay everybody just kind of quiet well to be fair I mean even though they yes they have been around a long

46:33 time and these are like very iconic world like we don't have much to say in this instance of the movie as we would like overall in the franchise basically yeah okay that's that's fair it's very much this section is kind of giving them a shout out they get a good fight and a lot of this is kind of like these are characters that I liked in all the other movies so yeah no sha Sean and sabot did a good job at Goku and Vegeta but this SE is very much sh giving them a shout out because they are the titular characters of the series that were given a chance to sit on the sidelines to give other characters a shout out which I also still want to talk about whis and beerus because I love whis and beerus they're some of the best iterations of

47:18 this new additions to the modern drag Bal era and I is just a really delightfully campy wise Mentor figure I love every scene with whis and I think he is just so good for these characters and how they interact just oh he every time I see whis it's just he's so fun he's so delightful I love that little that little son of a [ __ ] well Le two I may have a little more to say about them because remember when we first introduced I believe it was Battle of Gods if I'm not mistaken correct that was their first appearance

48:03 yes yeah and I really like the appearance from them because you know one is a god of instruction and the other somehow apparently is Teachers so of course I don't know how that works but I I find well Ian and CLA is always impressive no matter what he does but Jason dugs I never heard him like this before and you and I did the F episode as well so I think uses kind of a similar approach there as well cuz you know they're both World weary both traveling for okay so the difference here is that this Jason Douglas as beerus he is a lazy [ __ ] cat yeah he's great yeah also has a pen for

48:50 vanilla ice cream we learned he he's a he is a literal glutton the entirety of Battle of Gods was like okay I could blow this planet up but yo what the [ __ ] is a corn dog though this [ __ ] banging all right you live I I my favorite my favorite part was one of my favorite Parts was when uh he sees Chilai coming and chai's scared of him but he's but apparently he has a type or something it it kind of reminds me that you know that one emoji we used in the in the horny room where it's just this guy's sparkling eyes and he has horns on his head you know that emoji it I know that emoji cuz I'm the one that

49:37 added the helltaker Glorious success emote yes yeah it it reminded me exactly of that in the moment I was like damn this is this is way too funny I like the fact that I spent the entirety of the super Broly afterwards shipping Chilai and Broly and then somebody decided all right let's throw in NTR with beerus which I don't think that's going to go anywhere but whatever also shout out to Erica limbeck as Chilai she's great she's awesome and oh God why am I play the guy who plays limo Bruce Cary he was also really great thank you and there's going to be a very short discussion about John Young br's

50:23 Broly he yells good he says a couple of things I love this iteration of Broly we will hopefully maybe we will talk about the new super Broly movie at some point that day will not be today but just know I really like that movie mhm yeah any I do too I I actually it really got me back into uh dragon ball the the Broly movie did I feel like if I ever like want to pump myself the [ __ ] up I just got to play kakar versus Broly mhm and it just oh it's like I'm in a sucking soccer stadium and I'm just going [ __ ] ham I love it yeah and you're background musings go go brory go

51:09 go go oh you [ __ ] rule so much so yeah a lot of this is basically just we're giving quick shout outs to Sabbath and Sean and we really like whis and beerus and Broly and all the new movie characters that get to stick around for another iteration the most how do I say this the one with the most cake to SN our teeth into is Monica Rial as Bulma I was gonna say dude we already talked about Broly oh that's that's that's less that's that's a beef that's a beef cake

51:56 and a fine sausage okay now okay okay Jamal Jamal you look at that tarzani hmbo of a beast and tell me he's not packing heat I'm not going to tell you I'm just going to let the fan art speak for itself she Li stuck around we'll say that at least fun fact fun fact I remember when this movie was first coming out they posted art of her holding like a a clo like a sack there were people that genuinely

52:43 thought she got torad which is a very crude descriptor of saying she got a baby in her like there was people that saw that sack and was like oh my God yo yo she hop on that dick though and it's like no it's a sack of potatoes we have to learn what CH like species is before she can have a baby so I think she's basically just a green human though for the most part look I know but Toriyama had to have had some note of what her race is I'm going to okay no actually I think he just wanted the design of something kind of alien but kind of humanoid at it could

53:29 work I think Sans could basically breed with whatever at this point and probably be okay we need green babies you know Jokes Aside Jokes Aside Chilai genuinely is one of my favorite new characters of Dragon Ball yeah oh she's great yeah give us green Saiyan babies oh my God yes give us green Saiyan they're already vegetables anyway oh my God can we please let's talk about Bulma all right who wants to talk about Bulma first Ary you want to talk about Bulma I will talk about Bulma I think Monica has been the best Bulma so far um and I think that she gets to record her as uh in the best

54:17 that Bulma has been she's not irrit [ __ ] Bulma that we were all introduced to she is like H she's wh mom Bulba if I can explain that thank you I was thinking that too yeah that's basically it but yeah know great yeah can't believe we want she's she's always been really great as Bulma yeah I can't believe we on the same wavelength there uh it's funny we kind of brought up like a bulus cake cuz uh one of the things was uh I bought this up in the space daddy episode uh Andrew how fam are you with Space Dandy I've seen Space Dandy I love it I have a signed copy of it by shingo NA oh

55:05 lucky you uh so Micah plays a character who works with a scholar in the alien IM Immigration Center and I described to her well I'm going paraphrase she's she was one of the thickest characters I've ever heard her play and I I made a comparison to her her character in this movie and that you know it's basically I guess as we described it like why Mom kind of aspect where you know she works hard for money she got her so you better treat her right yeah she got yeah she basically got her I could just picture them holding a wine glass in her hand then I also realized it took me year to realize why her character was called pine pine because she's about shaped and

55:51 colored as a pineapple which h yeah she's thick as a pineapple and her hair is green which bulma's hair was Green in the early years by the way but B's Hair was literally green it was purple it was blue it was every shade at this point I'm just making app comparison but yeah M but like AI said M uh is the best Buble I've ever heard even if I only heard maybe two but we don't talk about together I I really appreciate that uh even though she didn't have okay I'm not going to say as much but she did have stuff to do in the movie but man it's amaz how like she could get irritated when you know you

56:37 some somebody just trying to reach out to you and you don't answer a call of course she gets aggravated but then there's also the petty side of her a little bit which she's not being helpful you know you took my husband you might as well take my call that that was a really great line actually I really loved that line cuz it it felt so real real like that that's one of the things I kind of love about this dub is all the dialogue that feels like genuine so but I kind of like that uh little banter between her Piccolo and Shenron when she uses the other two wishes or to realize later she could have just wished for her husband to come back from a beerus's planet we we need more Piccolo and Bulma scenes because they don't put up with

57:23 each other's [ __ ] and it's great it's fun Dynamic that I never expect you know what this movie is this movie is Piccolo hanging out with the girls yeah I feel like there's something amazing about Piccolo being the one to bond with the housewives yes well I I think what it is is and I never realized it before but Piccolo is the group is the group dad and Bulma is the group mom so the fact that they interact is why it's really fun to see them interact because like you would think Vegeta would be the group dad because he's married to Bulma but no Vegeta has too

58:09 much of a maturity issue to be the group dad Vegeta Vegeta's it took a while for Vegeta to be a better parot than he so yeah I I also love that he has a relationship with Videl in that like they didn't really interact before but it's like like she's really close with Piccolo and trusts him immensely with her child and she's teaching martial arts I is that what the show implied yes they implied that like she has like a Karate Dojo now which is actually a really cool like thing for her character honestly I really liked that I think that's a great detail for her character because up until now all she was was the baby mama

58:54 for Gohan right so the fact that she has like a career and a thing she does is great being the daughter of Hercule Satan she's probably going to get a lot of notice running a dojo so as it turns out yeah she's got skills in martial arts and karate and like yeah I like that I like that detail a lot uh I hope she gets her house back she hads that movie with it her house [ __ ] sunk because of how much they pissed off papa bear a house to I really like Bulma a lot I really love how she's very Vain and Petty when it comes to gods and the end of the world

59:39 and she's just going like hey guys I brought some people to help do you need help all right I'm just going to sit back all right here are all the strongest fighters in the world and also Krillin okay I the the writer of this movie is is too mean to Krillin too I get the Goku [ __ ] in on Krillin did nothing he's got a good relationship with his wife and he's strong and dependable yes I know all cops are bad but krillin's all right he's all right we all get our problematic faves Krillin is Krillin has earned it any Sunny is great yeah this movie is very much like come on Krillin what are

1:00:25 you going to do is like oh come on was Yamcha not available to be the punching bag shut up anyways yeah I I like monicaa I think she's very delightful as Bulma I love her getting very Vain and Petty about her looks and her wishes it's like do stop judging me anyways what can you do all right I think we can make use of you let's get let's we give we more something out Monica is like very business casual capitalist but she's just like so unfaced by anything at this point it's just it's it's very funny all right any other little characters we want to throw in there or just shall we move on to the actual new crew for this

1:01:11 feature film let's keep going shout out to Android 18 oh yeah Android 18 is in this movie and also not Android 17 because he's still on his boat he's a park ranger he's a park R they they really they have whole setup about red ribbon and the Androids coming back and 18 doesn't really get to talk to the gamas which feels very missed opportunity not sell not as missed opportunity as you know no great seam man in the superhero movie but yeah now that you mentioned it that was a missed opportunity but I wanted Gohan to be ad look I wanted Gohan to be deu tier

1:02:01 fanboying at how cool gamma one and two were well except they kidnapped his child so yeah okay yes look but after he realized everything was fine and he realized that Piccolo and pan were doing a work then like everything probably would have been fine and they probably could have B anyways let's actually talk about the new cast of this movie so we are going to be talking about Dr HTO Gamma 1 and two Carmine magenta and cellmax the Kaiju herigon final boss of the movie so Dr hedo is a descendant of Dr jro where they literally show you the

1:02:47 family tree in that it's jro and his wife who would be the inspiration for Android 21 yes Android 21 is Canon what's up oh she is hard candid at this point which is crazy [ __ ] hot ass [ __ ] of a wife Dr my God Dr D fire just Canon it to her oh my God that that man is like a three batting a nine God damn rich white man with money can [ __ ] play ball anyways um where the [ __ ] was I going with this oh right family tree uh so yeah so Dro and vomi vomi uh they had the guy they had two

1:03:34 children one of which would be the influence of Android 16 and then the other is just he doesn't get a family picture completely ex strange from D's side of the family because he thinks his [ __ ] dad's a c mad scientist and doesn't invite him for Thanksgiving anymore so that son had a wife they died in an accident heto was born he's a bad genius scientist that just really likes superheroes and has a bit of an ego the gamas are his Androids that he made CU he really likes superheroes Carmine and magenta are the new remnants of red pharmaceutical company Red Ribbon pharmaceutical company which

1:04:20 is a which is a a sham work company to bring back the Red Ribbon Army in secret Carmine is pretty much just like the hired goon mob like Carmine and magenta it's easy to explain who they are if I tell you they are quite literally Mobsters they are literally like Italian Mobsters who are basically I love the beginning of this movie because it's basically like hey what what do normal humans think about everything with cell what do normal humans think about like the capsule Corporation and it's like there is an entire like Pepe Sylvia esque qanon

1:05:11 conspiracy theory that magenta is trying to sell hedo on to get him on his side and I believe that's a real conspiracy theory that would exist in this universe how do all these power ful people always congregate in this area is Hercule really as strong as we think he is it's first time you've seen a human question how strong hercu is maybe because everybody else is like oh yeah no he's a god Chad of course he is duh I'm rambling a little so I should probably talk about who plays these characters so Dr heto is played by Zach agular Gamma One is Alex Lee gamma 2 is Zeno Robinson Carmine is Jason marocha

1:06:00 magenta I'll save for a second and cellmax is Damien Clark so uh Zach agular you'll know as characters such as Arthur pen dragon in the seven deadly sins Jos in one punch Man David Martinez in cyber Punk Edge runners tanoo in Demon Slayer k no yba and hey lack I told you this was going to come up again Zack agular played kichi hiray in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Time it is unbreakable that's right yeah uh Alex Lee as gamma one has played characters such as Lancelot AKA sin in the seven deadly sins Four Knights of the Apocalypse shenz Jang in Undead

1:06:46 unluck Mash burn dead in mashall Magic and muscles sh s jiu in Solo leveling and Zenit to agatsa in Demon Slayer Kimu NOA Zeno Robinson as gamma 2 has played Hawks in my hero Academia Xenon zrti in Black Clover who I just added because I thought saying Xenon zagatti would be fun girl in the 21st century it was fun yes oon Montgomery and fire force go in Pokemon Journeys and genya Sheena zuga in Demon Slayer Kim NOA Jason Mara's Carmine Jason's played

1:07:32 characters such as charet oven in one piece Koo nijim Mor in JoJo's diamond is unbreakable professor helis in Hells gaku nonu in megalobox and Katana man in chainsaw man Damian Clark as Cell Max has played kosoma in Fruits Basket younger tooro in yuu Haka show paragus in the previous Dragon Ball super Broly and Nathan Spencer in Marvel versus Capcom 3 I forget about that and the voice of cell in at least 95% of all Dragon Ball Z dubs and video games except for that one time that Travis Willingham played him for a

1:08:18 little while that was that was confusing when I learned that Travis Willingham voiced him once and of course fin finally magenta let's go it's a me Charles Martine who has played jeppi and Mario's dad in the Super Mario Brothers Super movie vigaro in Skies of Arcadia parur Parx in the Elder Scrolls 5 Skyrim Senator Wis Phillips in the JoJo's Bizarre Adventure OVA there it is yep I knew I was going to bring it up

1:09:05 he played the senator in the OVA that had uh Satoshi Cohen working on that episode it doesn't matter just drive and of course the voice of Mario Luigi Wario and Waluigi from 1996 all the way to 2023 for the the entirety of my entire life up until this past year Charles Mar has been the voice of some of the most iconic video game characters in the entire [ __ ] world and I guess sabot just knew him from the convention circuit and was like hey I got a character I think you do

1:09:51 good at you want in and he said Yahoo and it was it was done I guess this is sort of like how Veronica Taylor voice Barry blue in the previous one she she's also in the dub of super too actually but yeah right I'm just thinking like just out of pocket casting for Dragon Ball yeah I I was going to say the most out of pocket of super is allegedly the the voice of zamasu right I don't think it's alleged but I don't think it's allegedly at this point I'm just I'm just playing it yeah I know legally you can't say it was officially him we all know who it is at

1:10:37 this point and they have very much made up for that movie yeah oh I was going to say the most out of pocket casting in like the entire franchise was when they got the voice of chewbaca in GT yeah Peter Mayhew was in wait what yeah yeah that that was a thing wait who was he in GT you ask you deong but y okay okay okay so all right which characters should we talk about first and who wants to go first well I just want to say they actually brought Damen Clark back to play selness yes they did that's I mean like I'm I I'm glad he came back that's cool that he did it but I'm just like what was the point well with most Legacy characters you never forget where you

1:11:22 came from it's like when Caitlyn glass brought lorda Bailey back for the foots basket reboots you know yeah but that's because she was going to be a prominent character and she was actually going to have dialogue look look I'm going to assume at the time Damian was probably either recording other stuff or was going to record other stuff cuz there's always Dragon Ball Z video games there's always Dragon Ball Z video games oh okay he was in the Heroes Legacy special which was like canonically the last thing in the timeline but apparently released Midway through the GT run which I only learned

1:12:08 about thanks to uh Kaiser Neco from their uh commentaries on GT thanks kaer um yeah so I'm sorry I zoned out because I was trying to find the Chewbacca thing what are we talking about Damen Clark I just again it's it's awesome that he's back like it is I like I I'll say this I was a little split on what I thought about Cell Max at first but I think I at least respect that they decided not to just do sell again and it's basically what I could describe as like a Kaiju abomination of like all three phases of

1:12:54 cell cuz it's like it's got Aesthetics of imperfect semi-perfect and perfect cell design iconography it also kind of okay Jamal I'm not I'm not even going to ask you I I'm not even going to ask lack Hardy how many of the pre Battle of Gods movies did you guys ever watch uh pre- Battle of Gods I watched all of the movies every one of them okay I don't remember remember I don't remember okay do you have slight recogniz

1:13:41 recollection of Wrath of the Dragon that's the last one right that is the last one that is the one with the character that looks like he came out of Chrono trick yes I do remember a little bit from that Cell Max to me reminded me less of cell and more of herigon in that he's basically like a giant powerful Kaiju man and he's got like the giant wings and the giant tail it's it's very much like herud dearn in his like bug form I can't remember that's been

1:14:30 years God all right been four score in seven Beers Ago so oh God it's that's what that's what cell Max looks to me and look even Damien is doing hella screams like we we we can't talk a lot about like his dialogue or how he's growing as the character he is playing a kiju [ __ ] Abomination and he is yucking it up and like screaming his goddamn little heart out Damien has been in the Dragon Ball School of training for a long time now and it shows it shows and it sounds great [ __ ] wow he sure do scream final I'll say this he sure do scream good I think the Final Act of the movie is ironically

1:15:17 enough probably the weakest part of the movie mhm partially because I realized I likeed The Slice of Life almost lower key sticks of the first two thirds more than actual dire got to stop this thing to save the world I like the fact that like pan is never in any real danger and it's just Piccolo's trying to like get his dad to push himself and it's just yeah and I also do enjoy the shenanigans of new red rien and like heto and the uh the good nature

1:16:04 of the gamas and all that I think it's I think it's a fun Final Act especially if it's like okay you want some new cool forms we got some new cool forms for your games and toys but I thought the cellmax stuff was a little weaker compared to the rest of the movie I think it's still fun fun I think it's still a gorgeous final battle especially with the animation but I thought it was a little weaker comparatively speak and the gamas uh what do we think about them I think they are delightful new additions I think they are delightful new additions I got a question do you think HTO is eating Oreos or

1:16:50 Hydrox yes what the [ __ ] is a Hydrox it's what oil it was what oil was modeled after before the what okay this's the show called the foods that made them famous and uh Hydrox was the original chocolate cookie until uh the guys that I guess some guys that were working under them uh decided to make the old chocolate cookie and they sought the help of Milton Hershey and because of that they ended up taking over as the number one chocolate sand cookie and people started seeing Hydrox as copycat even though they were the original first so I guess oh it's one of those stories where it's like the one that came out first is not the one that

1:17:37 got to survive this the sands of time I I assume there wasn't some kind of like marketing like tie-in or anything was there I okay no if it was a marketing tiin we would see a logo yeah like it's like it's like weathering with you it's like you can tell they got actual [ __ ] McDonald's money to being in a McDonald's in that movie hunting kind of which I'm gonna be honest with you and and be honest with me too does anybody else think that the red Ribbit logo looks like the little de the Little Debbie logo yeah I can see that yeah anyways I did not me see I did not mean to you know derail the the conversation like so

1:18:24 bad so no no no no no that honestly that was a completely fun conversation to have and it made me realize I'm a child who did not know what a Hy roxs was well on to that I will say I I like Dr hedo a lot the gamas are okay I didn't love them but as like I I feel like you know get getting into like gamma gamma one's the one that lives right yes gamma one is the one that lives gamma 2 is the one that noly sacrifices I I feel like there's a lot of potential with Gamma One as a character so I'll say that and I think the performances are are good um I think Dr HTO gets the most to work with I think my biggest thing with HTO

1:19:10 is like I for one this this section I think is fun I'm glad you've grouped them all together I think this section's fun in the sense that like Alex Zeno and Zack agular in my mind are like some of the biggest like leading actors right now in like the anime gaming Spear of the past couple of years and I think like that's pretty fun that they are all together in Dragon Ball Z one of the biggest [ __ ] franchises on the goddamn Planet yeah yeah so I think them all being together grouped together like this I think is especially pretty fun especially now that I remember that gamma one and two

1:19:57 are [ __ ] uh June and the protagonist of P3 now yeah I thought it was very strange though that they could hold their own against the Z Fighters I going to be honest power scaling they threw out a long time ago they are as strong as they need to be for any given scenario I I know it's just like I know it's Dragon Ball and I shouldn't be questioning this but I'm just like how did Dr heno make them stronger than like the people they fought in the in the universe tournament Arc who [ __ ] cares that's that's my answer that's to that's toriyama's answer yeah

1:20:43 [ __ ] I don't care yeah it's fun it's cool it's what the scene needs it's what the story needs at any given moment like the fact that it is like a this is a this is a scenario where they did not need to press the Goku button where they could have a little fun with it they could let Piccolo actually be like a strategist for once and go on could kind of come in and okay we'll get to go on in a bit but I I think hedo is fun and the craziest thing is I've gotten a good grasp of what Zach agular sounds like there was a bit at the beginning where I honestly

1:21:29 could not tell that was Zach same I actually thought it sounded I didn't know it was him I thought it sounded like Jesse James greel for a few minutes I'm not going to lie I thought it sounded like to table until I remembered he was in another yeah I I thought that too until I remembered he was in another one of the previous movies he he is Joo the galactic patrolman yeah and also apparently Vegeta's c not canon brother in the games but the special that never got a dub because a couple of those specials were only ever brought over be via other video games and FUNimation never dubbed can you tell I know a lot about Dragon Ball really I never would have

1:22:14 guessed see like I don't I don't I am not a sorry no no I wasn't saying anything I was just call cofin oh sorry sorry sorry anyways um yeah no I I think uh Zach is very fun as hedo and I Zeno Robinson is maybe one of the most infectiously charismatic voice actors I can think of off the top of my head oh yeah and he is just absolutely just charming and just enjoyable as gamma I I think think I almost wanted more of the gamma being goofy goobers

1:23:01 together for at least a few more minutes than what they got yeah I just wish uh gamma gamma 2 didn't give me a brawler moment and how you will know exactly what I mean I know exactly what you mean and yeah gamma gamma 2 rip in peace he was the real one and GMA one Alex Lee is also very Stern and strong and like full of justice and figure and Alex is equally very good to very strong what he does to which I couldn't even tell that was Alex Lee first I know that was that it was him but I was like that's him Alex has an incredibly like sliding scale of voices he's got range yeah oh

1:23:47 his range is like either really low or like screeching to the point that he he's breaking a sound barrier and your dog can hear it genuinely impressive [ __ ] mean that in the highest of highest of uh compliments I like this new group of characters I compliment him as someone who's jealous of him you know what Fair as as like the professional actor of this group of people you very much are like [ __ ] I wish I could do that with my vocal cords how dare you yeah how dare you have that much versatility I kill you yeah but Al is great regardless so uh before we get on to the big two I had to step out during the Cell Max

1:24:33 discussion to which I don't hear Damian do a lot of creature voices that often I mean the most I ever known him for was a Handsome Jack at the Borderland series to which I almost met him one time but uh I thought he was pretty cool in comes in what you describe is like all these different versions of cell throughout so I thought that was pretty cool if there's one thing about Damien Clark is that there is one sound bite that is just stuck in my head forever it is the Budokai that's just stuck in my head specifically the imperfect cell voice clip that's just in all of those like

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