[EN] 업계 얘기는 핑계고 ㅣ EP.66

0:00 [26-second preview] But when you've just started dating... It's hot. - Your phone is burning up. - You just can't handle yourself. We're talking about dating. Why is your face so red? "Just do it, okay?" And then I come back. "So about that earlier..." You devil PD! Gosh, you're all actors. You've all been acting! You're all actors. [Jae Seok: You Quiz on the Block, Hangout with Yoo Whenever Possible, Punghyanggo, Running Man Let's Go Dream Team] [Seok Jin: Jodong-A-ri, Punghyanggo, Running Man Bro&Marble in Dubai, Jeeseokjin World, Woman6] [Young Seok: Three Meals a Day, channel fullmoon GBRB, Earth Arcade, Woman6, Let's Go Dream Team] [Q. What do these three have in common?] [Pinggyego] [We have someone from the broadcasting industry that also blends in with these Gyewons] [Just like the packed schedule for January]

0:45 [We'll pack in a lot of things to our conversation] [Pinggyego] [This video includes paid promotion by Lipton] [The DdeunDdeun office looks like a variety show meeting room] What is this? The aftereffects of the award show are significant. [Looking at the space where we took down the wall for the award show] Shouldn't we do something? Rent out that space or something. [Enters with his own idea for the space] Another day at the office. Happy New Year. [Saying greetings for the first time this year] This is the first actual shooting of the year. Today I have to thank [Lipton iced tea's new product, zero-sugar peach] Lipton zero peach iced tea. [Takes a sip] Mmm. This has zero sugar? It tastes so good. If it's too sweet

1:30 it has a strange aftertaste but since this is a zero product... [One more sip] [The sweet taste makes you happy] My energy is up. I feel amazing. I feel so great. I do occasionally drink iced tea. I like it, it's really good especially when it's cold. Now I can enjoy a lighter iced tea with Lipton zero-sugar. Lipton zero-sugar peach-flavored iced tea, thank you. [Today's guest and his neighbor is on his way] Our guest today is a neighbor. We've never done a show together before but we've both been in the industry for a while and we'd run into each other here and there. And our other guest today is the star of Punghyanggo. I never thought that you'd all love Punghyanggo so much.

2:18 [Thank you to our Gyegukji] I want to thank you once again. [We got a call] He's walking here from his office and he got lost. He's bad with directions. [For the Gyewons who don't know] Young Seok is bad with directions? [The DdeunDdeun staff have worked with Na Young Seok before] [They know how bad he is with directions] Okay. It's really not that hard to find. [The offices are right next to each other] All he has to do is walk straight up the hill and turn right. [The directionally challenged guest is here] Young Seok. What are you talking about? This place is so close. Where'd you go? I walked into the next alley. I'm not good with directions. [We've heard already] Yeah, they told me you're not. - I was nervous, that's why. - Take the middle seat. Why were you nervous? I was nervous that I'd get lost. I called Song Hwa and asked for the address. [Sent an SOS]

3:05 It's literally three minutes away. I can't believe you got lost coming here. I'm so embarrassed. I've been here several times. [He was too baffled to find shoes] Put on some slippers. Can I? I'm so amazed. [He's visited the office on his YouTube live] You've been here more than once [Finally has slippers on] and I saw you come here while filming. [Now the mic] Here, Young Seok. Thank you. Where's Seok Jin? He's coming. Isn't he supposed to be here? He's coming. [Relieved] Oh, he is? And help yourself to the beverages. This is PPL. Oh, PPL is so important. Everyone, PPL is what keeps YouTube shows alive. Views don't get us paid. Seok Jin is on his way, but I've been saying that you're such a diligent PD. There's no reason for you to do YouTube too.

3:50 With your little camera. What are you talking about? What are you doing here then? Yu Jae Seok is doing YouTube. - You're a PD! - Of course, I'm doing it when even you are! You're a PD, why are you doing mukbangs? I'm just trying things. Where were you today? Song Hwa told me that there's Lipton iced tea PPL so you'll be talking about that first. [The staff's intentions according to Young Seok] You can't be late but it would be awkward if you're too early. Somewhere in between. Just be here 10 minutes early. I'm a PD so I've been through these things. [When one star is in the middle of something] When they're still talking and doing something [and another star arrives too early] and another person's there too early it's a little awkward. [The star finds it funny] Is it? You know, if you're about to talk about Lipton

4:37 and you have to greet someone then it gets all messed up. Even if I'm talking about the product we like things to be natural. This is your need to give cues as a PD talking. [Hear me out] I'm just trying to see it from Eun Jin's point of view. As a PD she could be like "Why is that guy here so early?" [Just in case that's the case] She could think that. So I went to my office around 8:30 and waited. Young Seok walked in with this in his hand. There's a side of PDs that PDs aren't aware of. - From our point of view. - There is? Of course, some PDs have their phones in their pockets. [Because they don't know when someone will call] but a lot of them walk around like this. [they walk around with their phone in their hand] Because they're always calling or texting someone. [Exactly as expected] And today when I saw him coming with this in his hand, I thought [Beep, you are a PD] "He really is a PD."

5:23 Even now I have my phone here because someone might call or text. [Compulsion as a PD: Has to have phone around] I don't even have anyone to call me. It's because of your job. [Seok Jin is here] - He just came out of nowhere. - So weak! [Bow] Young Seok. Why are you being so polite? You're a star PD. [Second bow] [Star PD meets star of Punghyanggo what a joyous occasion] Why are you dressed like that? - I have to go somewhere after. - Where? [Looking at his outfit] Let me go somewhere, do you have a problem? - You know how it is with expensive clothes. - Was it expensive? Wasn't this a thing like 30 years ago? - Why are you clapping? - Wouldn't you be too warm in here? [Wants to protect his swagger] I'm not too warm, I'm fine. Lipton ice, iceton. [Makes a mistake even before he's seated] Iceton, iced tea. You have new glasses. Oh, Dong Hwi gave them to me. [Looking stylish with glasses from Dong Hwi] I'd never worn them, but turns out they look good. - They do. - Right? Do you want to try them on?

6:09 - They wouldn't suit me. - Come on, try them on. [Tries Seok Jin's glasses on] They wouldn't suit me. - It looks good. - Don't I look like an owl? [Laughs instead of answering] [Looks like an owl that's not to be messed with] I know what suits me. It does look strange on you! [Can tell if a pair of glasses will suit him] I've worn glasses for a long time, so... A lot of people ask me why I never change my glasses. Why I only wear these frames. [On You Quiz on the Block] On You Quiz on the Block I went to a glasses store [he showed everyone why he can't wear other ones] and tried different ones on to show why. - These frames are... - Young Seok, let me try yours on. [Trying Young Seok's glasses on too] We're starting off with a glasses fashion show. How do I look? [KBS Viva Primavera] You look like when you were in high school when you did the comedy bits. Wait, but your prescription is similar to mine. - Try these on. - My eyesight isn't too bad. [Young Seok tries Jae Seok's on] But I still can't not wear them. No, you have a higher prescription. [Back to the owner] Right?

6:55 Mine is not even prescription. Yours never were. I have great vision. - You still do? - I do. You still do. But his eyes are getting old. Well, what can you do? He's getting up there. Slow-focusing. I'm not denying that my eyes are getting old [When people get older] but when that happens to people [they usually become farsighted] don't they usually go like this? - Yes, I do that too. - Do you? I don't do that, I can't see like that. But you know what he does do? [Into the screen] That's true. [Tiki] You can see everything if you squint. [Taka] Yeah, I squint. I'm always squinting. I won't deny that. It's early in the morning and we're talking about this. [Reality suddenly hits] I haven't sat down with Seok Jin in 20 years. I never thought we'd be talking about this. [Interested in the kimbap] Young Seok and Seok Jin [They did a show together 20 years ago] did a show together. KBS Happy Sunday-Woman6 and Star Golden Bell. Viewers these days might not be familiar.

7:40 - They won't be. - They're probably not. I didn't know how great a PD he was back then. But even back then, Young Seok was KBS's - ace. - Ace. [Current eggiscoming's leading crew] Na Young Seok, Shin Won Ho, and Lee Woo Jeong. They were the aces. And Rhee Myoung Han. Won Ho was the assistant director when I was on Thrilling KoongkoongDda. I didn't do KoongkoongDda for that long. I was on for about nine months. - It was less than a year? - It was nine months. [Jae Seok was part of the first crew of MC Spark-Thrilling KoongkoonDda] [and he was on from Jan 27th, 2002 to Oct 27th] Look it up, it wasn't that short. [for about nine months] It was nine months. Some people might remember the show but some people might be wondering what that is. But you know, I see memes about it now. Even now the episode where you played ddakji and hit Ho Dong. That reminds me, I have the right to hit Ho Dong for the rest of my life. [A legendary episode of KoongkoongDda] You still have that?

8:26 [They played for the right to hit the other person forever and Jae Seok won against Ho Dong] I have the right. He might not remember but I can just go and hit him and he'd have to take it. "Ho Dong, wait!" That was really funny. You don't see a lot of variety shows - like that anymore. - Young Seok. I think you can make it happen again. - I don't know about that. - Put Jae Seok and Ho Dong together again. Why? I mean, you're a star PD. People would say yes to you. Wait, Seok Jin. Why are you sucking up to Young Seok so much? - Young Seok - No. is a great PD. He single-handedly brought tvN variety shows back to life. [Aired in 2013] Grandpa Over Flowers was what started it all. It was a huge hit. I mean, Grandpa Over Flowers in the industry at the time [The early 2010s = The peak of real variety shows] was totally different [It was very different from all of them] from what we knew as variety shows.

9:14 I'll put it this way, Young Seok. It was sluggish. [Haha] It had a very slow flow in a world full of speedy shows. [Apologizes right away] I'm sorry if that offended you. No, not at all. It's true, though. Talk about that a little bit. There was a rumor going on in the industry "Young Seok did a variety show called Grandpa Over Flowers in tvN and it's a problem for him." - They said it didn't look good. - "The footage didn't look good." - Was that what people were saying? - There was a rumor. People said that that was what you said. But I'm never sure about the shows I make. - Oh. - Is that so? I think to myself "I find this entertaining but what will people think?" As Seok Jin mentioned it's not like we had a variety show master on the show. That's true.

9:59 But that was the charm. But we didn't know if it was going to work as the charm. - Because it's never been done before. - It was a path never taken. But it turned out to change the course of variety shows. So now you actually see a lot of that type of shows. They say variety shows have become boring because of that. Some people say that. We can talk about that. When you mentioned KoongkoongDda earlier it made my heat beat faster. [KoonkoongDda in the eyes of a newbie PD] That was when I started off as a variety show PD. When I first started... What show did you do? I was doing this and that. Won Ho was the first to be an assistant director on a variety show. - That was KoongkoongDda. - He was on KoongkoongDda. Us 27th KBS members were young and dumb back then. [His colleague joined the hottest show] Won Ho joined the hottest show at the time - as the assistant director. - Yes, a weekend variety show.

10:47 It was like this. He'd say "Jae Seok was so funny today." "Jae Seok"? - The big star? - You call him by his name? It was like that. It was unheard of. You know, back then you were on the Sunday show. Yes, I was. There was the Sunday show but there was also the Saturday variety show. Yes, two different shows. - But! - There was a Saturday show. I don't know if I can say this but the Saturday variety show was in second place. [Back then, Sunday shows were the real deal] Sunday variety shows were the main event. - The main was on Sunday. - That is true. They were the two biggest events but from all the shows on air throughout the week - the main event was the Sunday variety shows. - Yes, the Sunday shows. So Won Ho went to the Sunday show [He was assigned to the Saturday variety show] and I went to the Saturday show.

11:35 I was assigned to the Saturday show. So I did Saturday for two to three years before I finally made it into Sunday. - Super Sunday. - Finally! [First met Seok Jin on Woman5] That's when I first met Seok Jin. I'm sorry that it wasn't Jae Seok. Why did you cast Seok Jin? You weren't available! How can you say that when I'm sitting right here? I know that! [He was the MC on SBS's X-Man at the time] I already know the truth. - This is uncomfortable. - Talk about it when I'm not here! - I'm a little bit uncomfortable. - I'm sitting right here. You should've called me at least. When I first met Seok Jin I was so happy to learn more about the business. That's when I truly began to be a PD. I learned a lot and really enjoyed the work. [Six million YouTuber looking out for the PPL] Anyway, enough about the past.

12:20 [Even a PD gets the official question] What time do you usually get up in the morning? You know, I walked the streets of Nonhyeon-dong this morning and I thought that I should start getting up earlier. - So you usually get up a little later? - It's so refreshing and nice. - Getting up early in the morning is great. - When do you usually get up? My routine isn't great. It's not one that I would recommend. I wake up between 10 and 11. That's common for people in the industry. Nobody comes into work at our office before noon. At broadcasting companies if there's a meeting for variety shows [They often come in late because they stay late] it's usually around 1 or 2 p.m. That's true. - That's how it goes here, right? One or two. - Yeah. Eun Jin, how hard it must be for you. You're here at 9 a.m. [A rare but refreshing case of coming in early]

13:05 It's not her routine. Wow, he really cares about Eun Jin. - I mean, Min Ju is here and so is everyone else. - Is there something going on? - No. - Why just Eun Jin? Ever since Punghyanggo, he looks after Eun Jin. - Why is that? - Eun Jin! If something is troubling you... Is it because she made you a star? I was so excited to see Seok Jin after all this time but his eyes are on someone else. - He wouldn't even look at you. - He's just looking at Eun Jin. He's not looking at you, Young Seok. Eun Jin, call me if something's on your mind or if you want me to buy you dinner. I worked with Eun Jin for a long time. - And also with Song Hwa. - I care about them a lot. I don't watch a lot of variety shows. Because it kind of stresses me out. - You know? - I know what you mean. This is what I do.

13:51 And because it's what I do [It's his job] I can't seem to enjoy it [so it's hard for him to enjoy it] but I keep getting distracted. But the only shows that I watch are the ones that my beloved colleagues make. I usually try to watch at least the first season. When Punghyanggo came out I tried to watch it because it was Eun Jin's big project but I turned it off halfway through. - Why? - Because I could feel it was going to be a hit. It stressed me out. Do you know what I mean? It's a problem we in the industry have. He says that, but he was probably happy for her. [Back to getting up in the morning] So Young Seok you get up around 11 a.m.? Around 10, 11 a.m.. When I get up in the morning I drink a cup of barley tea and take my vitamins before going to the gym. You go to the gym, that's good.

14:37 And you go to work after that? Yes, I just take a shower at the gym and go to a meeting if there is one discuss things about the shows take some calls go live in the evening. This is embarrassing. [The PD that livestreams is in agony] He's an influencer. He streams in the evening. Speaking of streaming it's so hard. - It's so hard. - Is it hard? - It hit me one day. - What? I'm not good at talking on them. - It's so hard. - You're great! You're good. No, I just say whatever. You know what? I told you that I don't watch variety shows. So I don't watch your shows but I watch You Quiz on the Block all the time. - Why You Quiz on the Block? - To see how you interview people. [You Quiz on the Block = A manual on interviewing] To learn? Yes, to watch and learn.

15:23 He's amazing. Are you planning on launching "The Na Young Seok show"? I'm not even joking I've talked about this with Seok Jin before. That you're amazing. Young Seok has no reason to stream and have guests on. You don't do that unless you're really passionate. I'm just trying to make a living. Come on, you already do. You never know what's going to happen. The world keeps changing. When I first started channel fullmoon with Eun Jin she knows about this it was five years ago. She learned what she could and found her way here... Good job! When we first started we didn't know where the TV industry was heading [In a fast-changing industry] so we thought YouTube could grow in five years [YouTube was a fallback] and the TV industry might shrink.

16:10 Then we would all have no work. So YouTube was kind of like an insurance at the time. And we have to maintain it since we started it so we kept trying this and that. That's what I call passion and effort. You keep challenging yourself. That's not an easy thing to do. I'm sorry, Seok Jin. Can you not turn the PPL on its back? I'll keep turning it. Or you should have like a rotating system here. I keep turning the bottle around out of habit. Sorry, the industry made us this way. We can't help ourselves. Anyway, please support Lipton iced tea. - Wait, Seok Jin. - Only rich kids used to have this. You look lilke Jeon Young Rok today. "My burning heart," like that? Where are you going after, by the way? Well I'm just going somewhere with my wife, why?

16:55 - You're going out to eat. - Oh, that's nice. [The Hugh Grant of Jamwon-dong has a date] We don't have anything else to do. [He knows them very well] They go and eat at a nurungji samgyetang place. And they come back right away. They don't stay out for long. [Admits] It's two hours tops, and it's fun. - There's the drive over and back. - There's a nickname I gave him. The retired chairman. I just hang out with my wife and talk about this and that. That's so great. It's such a nice hobby. We go all the way to Gangneung and stuff. - Anyway, I think Young Seok... - What were we talking about? [They were talking about channel fullmoon] We were talking about content. Anyway, in that aspect Seok Jin and I admire Young Seok. Yeah, we actually talked about this. You know what, Young Seok? I've watched your livestream and your YouTube channel. What's it called, something moon?

17:43 - What was it? - Have you really watched it? - I have, I mean it. - Have you? I'm not lying! No, you're right. It's moon something. [Can't take it back] Seok Jin. - It's moon something. - Right? [During the channel fullmoon live] You came here with the camera too. I saw that. I saw him talking to Eun Jin and all the other staff - and he's not like a boomer. - I was here. He has this lateral approach. And I thought "He's very open-minded." But what's your channel actually called? I want to know. channel fullmoon. Why the name? [channel fullmoon was named after a full moon] [which first came to be because Young Seok misspoke] [but afterwards a meaning was added that it's a channel full of content like the full moon] That's why. Oh, I see. Doesn't your channel have like five million subscribers? [Over 6.8 million on the day this was edited] How did that happen? Soon it's going to be 10 million and you'll get the diamond button.

18:29 [Ten million is not out of reach] That would be meaningful. Six million is already insane. If we want to get there sooner we could merge our channels. [channel fullmoon's 6.81 million and DdeunDdeun's 2.48 million] 10 million would be a cakewalk. [Pinggyego] [The industry talk continues] You know with shows [The difficulties of variety shows] like the Woman series when we're coming up with the games a bunch of staff members get together and simulate them first. Right, so I've said this before but I think that for shows like Running Man there should be an A team and a B team. There isn't? - There isn't. - Is there? There's just one team. [Which is it?] [There isn't] I thought there was something I don't know about. [He was surprised by Young Seok being surprised] One team does it all. - The Running Man team is incredible. - They really are. They're like master craftsmen. It's not like they didn't try it. They can have two teams working every other week

19:17 but that causes inconsistency in the show. [They try but the tone difference is inevitable] It disrupts the consistency in tone. That makes sense. They've tried different systems but there's a reason why they chose this one. That's why one team does it all. There was a period where Running Man was on while I was still doing 2 Days & 1 Night. [Young Seok directed 2 Days & 1 Night until February 2012] [and Running Man started in July 2010] There was a year of overlap. I remember because back then I thought that Gary was hilarious and I wanted to cast him for my upcoming project at the time. I remember wanting to call him. [He remembers that incident] That's why I remember. [For 16 years] But Running Man is still on. I'm embarrassed to say this but I did 2 Days & 1 Night for five years and gave up. [A difficult schedule to live by] I just couldn't keep shooting, editing, doing meetings and checking out locations beforehand when I have the day off. [Meetings, shooting, editing, location-hunting...] So the entire week

20:05 [Seven-day work weeks on repeat] was jam-packed. And as you mentioned we considered working in teams and changing it up a bit but there's a rapport between the staff and the stars. [Rapport refers to mutual trust and closeness] So it's risky to just [It's hard to replicate the established chemistry] give it to someone else. [So they kept the one-team system] That's why one team kept doing it. The good thing about that is that you keep a consistent system and have a solid friendship. The family-like atmosphere that's created like that is something deep and irreplaceable. That's true. [They can relate] Yes, the comradery. - There's nothing like that. - Wouldn't trade it for anything. That is a good feeling but at the same time if you do that for five years you wonder, when does it end? [The routine usually lasts less than a year] That endless hamster wheel. It's hard to let go

20:52 [You're not sure if you can keep it up] but hard to keep going. The best way to do it is to train a successor. - And pass it on. - So you can pass it on. That's really important. But I was still young back then and didn't know how to do that. So I handled it rather poorly. Young Seok you made 2 Days & 1 Night, right? [In unison] Myoung Han did. Oh, Rhee Myoung Han. [Another example for curious Seok Jin] Just as Hwang Seon passed Woman6 to me. - It's the same thing. - I see. Sorry our conversation is like this. It's because we're all in the industry. [Friends in common keep coming up and the industry talk keeps going on] - I apologize to all our Gyewons. - I'm sorry. It's the first time in Pinggyego history having a PD on as a guest. [The industry talk goes on and on] So we keep talking about the business. - Eun Jin is going to edit it well. - Yes, she is. But even if she does all we've done is talk about the industry.

21:39 [There's no other option, just industry talk] We apologize. No, but it's okay. We're talking about a lot of different things. [Explanation over, back to industry talk] Looking back on these things - you realize how hard everyone worked. - That's what he was talking about. I remember people staying past midnight. That's right. And if you go into a variety show office - there are so many props. - Of course. Rubber hammers. Pots. Traditional masks. [They have everything] Masks, wigs, rubber hammers. - You never know when you're going to need them. - Bald caps, of course. Fake mustaches too. We always try them on and run a simulation. As Young Seok said [The staff test the game beforehand] for all the games we do on the show the staff play them beforehand to test them out. - Of course, all of them. - You try them all beforehand? I heard that you role play as us too. You play Yu Jae Seok, and you're Jee Seok Jin... Like that? [This is not news to the variety show PD] They run a whole simulation.

22:25 Of course, we do it all the time. When I would talk to the PD on the phone I would hear laughing over the phone so I asked what's going on at the office and they told me they were doing a game simulation. [That's how he found out about the process] I asked "Why is someone laughing?" And they said "Someone just got the penalty." - The staff try the games out. - To see how it would go. [Nods] They test them all out. They put so much effort into them like that [A simulation is just a simulation] but some of them still don't work on the spot. [There's no guarantee] That happens all the time. For example, let's say I put a team together with you two. From the moment you open your eyes to when you go to bed... [Loading...] We'd do three big ones. [Professional jargon] [2 Days & 1 Night's structure for example] We'd do three big games and two small ones. eat three meals [The estimate just flows out of him] and then it's bedtime. We would shoot that and a few walks in between to bridge them together.

23:10 [In that case] Out of the three big games if we have one that's funny that episode is a success! The other ones can just be supporting acts. Just one. If that one really shines the other ones can just ride along. Isn't it hard to become a PD? [He hasn't seen him in 20 years] I heard it's like a really competitive exam. [and has a lot of questions for the star PD] They would say it's as hard as a state exam. [He wants to know too] What's the process like? Is there a written test? Our company also hires PDs. Back in my day we'd have multiple choice tests too. [The process has changed] But they don't have that now. Now you write a cover letter and then they give you an essay or proposal topic. For example, "We cast Yu Jae Seok. Come up with the content of the year that we can do with Yu Jae Seok on board."

23:56 [A shocking example] Just for example. Then they would have to think about a lot of things. The resources that eggiscoming has what would be trending that year Yu Jae Seok's strong points and weak points what today's viewers want. They would have to consider all of those. [It's not just about being entertaining] You don't get a pass for just being entertaining. We're trying to see if they're capable of considering all those things. [Lesson on how to get into the neighbor company] So that's what your company is looking for. And there's an interview? There are two interviews. - There are two? - Two interviews, wow. You know who to go with as an experienced professional, right? - You've been in the field long enough. - It still isn't easy. Right, it's not easy. The interviews - are the hardest part. - Hahaha! Why is Seok Jin so funny to me?

24:42 What? He's like "You know who to go with, right?" And I'm like "It's not easy." Then he's like "Right, it's not." Seok Jin! What kind of a conversation is that? Hahaha! [No backbone whatsoever] I just agree with you. He makes you feel good about yourself. - That's something to learn from. - I just cheer you on. [Realization] That's admirable. [Anyway, back to the interviews] Interviews are the hardest part. - You've never experienced that, have you? - I haven't. Oh, when I was auditioning to be a comedian [Comedian auditions were kind of like interviews] they would be like "Come on in." - And I would... - Put on a costume? [Bingo] Some would be wearing rubber gloves. [The waiting room was a sight to see] In the waiting room... On audition day thirty percent of the people don't even look like themselves. They would have stage makeup on to look like a dog.

25:28 You know what, PD interviews are like that too. Really? Why would PDs - have costumes on? - Because you can train promising talent but the character and attitude of someone you'll be working with? That's the most important thing nowadays. So the importance of interviews are growing. [Interviews are more important than before] A lot of places do extensive interviews now. And because of that even though that wasn't our intention the people interviewing feel pressure. They know interviews are so important now. And it's a lot of pressure. So they think speaking their thoughts just won't do. What would aspiring PDs do in interviews? I'll give you an example. They come into the room with like a magician's hat. [That's funny]

26:13 That's funny. I'm sorry for laughing. It's a PD interview and they're wearing a magician's hat? So we're sitting there for the interview. Ha. It's funny and also it catches you off guard. What is that person going to do? - Your eyes drift to them. - That's true. Of course. But also, we're variety show PDs. - We're not that easy to bring down. - Of course not! [Variety show PD of 25 years] You don't just laugh at anything. The problem is this. They set the bar too high. [The bar inevitably goes up] And we keep looking for more. That's why it's actually dangerous. You can't half-ass it. You have to be able to do more than that. The moment they walk in with that hat on, we go "There's a bird in there!" That's what we expect. [Hesitant] Then they're like [They're just a person with a magician's hat] "Well, no." - Well, wait. Do you have to? - That's so cruel.

27:00 You could just wait and give them a shot. Why say that out loud? [In his defense] I can't help it. [The interviewers are nervous too] We're also sitting there, nervous. [As soon as they see the prop] And the moment we see that... You know, reactions are automatic for us. If Jae Seok comes in with a hat like that we're already preparing what comments to make. [Just so you know] That doesn't decide whether you pass or not. We have comprehensive evaluation criteria. And doing something like that is actually pretty brave. It is. [This is just an example, not the answer] There's no answer to this. I hear that companies do blind recruitment with the school names covered and all. - A lot of places do that. - It's common. Why, are you planning on applying? Where are you applying? - Hahaha! - I'm too old. You should apply to the eggiscoming PD position. [Crying]

27:45 - Haha, eggiscoming. - I'll learn how to do magic tricks. As a new recruit. There's no such thing as being too old for a challenge. You can do it! [If they're up for an experienced new guy] If age doesn't matter. - I can have a new life. - A fresh start. - It's fun. - Second act of life. - We talk about that all the time. - My second act as the newbie PD. If they ask if I can do it, I'll say "Yes, I can." You wouldn't be able to see much of your wife for the first five years, is that okay? [Immediate answer] Yes, it is! [Oh?] Is that why you're applying? That's a big part of it. [Pinggyego] Me, Won Ho, Woo Jeong Myoung Han, and Mr. Ko Joong Seok. [They founded eggiscoming together] Those are the founding members of our company. As someone who oversees and controls most of the company's work

28:32 how is it? Are there any difficulties? There are, actually. Of course there are. The thing is, I was always like this. Even when I was just in broadcasting and not in a production company I've always been very straightforward in meetings. Straightforward about what? Success is first and foremost. [Realistic] We're not a company that makes dreams come true. The important thing is success. We can only make your dreams come true if we're successful. That's true, actually. [More than what you want to make] The important thing is that the show is a hit. [The number one priority is making a hit show] That's number one. If your show isn't successful and this is true in most industries but nobody cares about you! - That's true! - That's right. If you have something that you really want to make happen

29:17 first, do what your company wants and make about two hit shows. [Let the results speak for you] First, show them what you're capable of. And then bring it up. - That's when they can bring it up. - "I actually have something in mind." That's actually sound advice from someone who's been in the industry for a long time. I've seen so many cases like this. They became a PD because they want to do certain things. [A company produces various shows] But the company assigns you to different things. [and you might not get what you want] The company asks them to do something and they're like "No." I prefer to do something like this. It's like because I wanted to do comedy - I was reluctant at first. - Oh. They sent me to a variety show. I was like "I applied because I wanted to do Gag Concert." So I asked to be at Gag Concert for three years. - They didn't let you? - They didn't let me.

30:03 But doing variety shows for three years it became my specialty. - Variety did. - It became my specialty. [Achieved highest per-minute rating of 50 percent] And doing 2 Days & 1 Night [and became a legend in the variety show world] I became [The nationally beloved show, 2 Days & 1 Night] somewhat of a successful PD. You became an incredibly successful one. So what I learned is what you want and don't want to do in the moment isn't important. What's important is making what you're assigned successful. - Then, you get your options. - That's true. I haven't seen many people who started by doing what they want and ended up successful. You know, what he's saying is objectively true. It's the cold-hearted truth. [Real advice from one of the industry's top PDs] This is incredibly realistic. It's realistic and applies to everyone including us. It applies to everyone and any industry. If you don't have the results to show it [Not being able to do whatever you want] even if you want to help them do what they want [is the cold-hearted truth of society] you really can't. You have to show the higher-ups that you're capable.

30:48 - It's the same with PPLs. - That's right. We get these because we have viewers. They're not just going to... Please contact channel fullmoon too. [Saw the opportunity] Lipton. [Makes sure the logo is showing] Anyway, I think what Young Seok said [Coming on strong] is good advice. - You're drinking it like it's an ad. - Young Seok... [This is the attitude of a 6 million YouTuber] Look at that angle. They already paid you. [Jeeseokjin World starts appealing too] You already got the money! - We haven't yet. - Let us have some too! We haven't got paid yet. Well, thank you. Thank you for choosing us first. But anyway, he's right. That's good advice. He's not just saying "Do what you're told." First, do what you're told and make two hit shows to show them. That would make sense to someone who's just starting.

31:35 That applies to any situation. But a lot of people don't realize that little truth. Because this industry is artistic in a way. You and I are all employees but at the same time we also see it as making your own artistic piece. And if you think about an art piece you think "My piece." The one thing that you really want to make. That's kind of the dream. So I think that's why that desire tends to be stronger than in other industries. Hearing about the industry from Young Seok is interesting because even though we've worked in the same variety show industry for a long time we never got to hear about so many things in detail. [If you're interested in the industry] Aspiring PDs and new-starters should hear this. [it's worth listening to] And I also thought about this. It just hit me

32:23 that since people expect a lot from you you must feel a lot of pressure when you're starting a new show. - I've been feeling pressure for a while now. - Right? [A list of Na Young Seok's hit shows] When you're making something a lot of people get excited. But the expectations are slowly dying. The peak was when I did You Quiz on the Block with you. If you look at it from a broadcasting company's point of view he's a sure thing. [Making consecutive mega-hits is not easy] Because he delivers. You probably made tvN a lot of money. [Shy Na] Of course. They must love you. - Oh, they would absolutely adore you. - At the company. They would want to wash his hair. That's hilarious! - You want to wash their hair if you adore them? - Of course! I'd want to wash their hair and ask them if they're tired

33:09 and offer them lotion. You raised tvN's profile like crazy. That's invaluable. - Right? - It's an amazing thing. - He has his arms crossed. - Thank you. [Head drops from all the teasing] What an amazing job you did. That means he agrees. I had something I wanted to ask. [I always wanted to ask] I wanted to ask you why all the PDs cross their arms in interviews after their show was a hit. [They're camera-shy] You don't know what to do with your hands. - This is the safest option. - That's fair. You're tying them up. [Self-tying] PDs have limited poses. Isn't this here for us to eat? Why isn't anyone opening them? [The lines of kimbap were there from the start] Wait. Why is this kimbap called NewJeans? They are? It's short for something. - Oh. - What's it short for? Wait, NewJeans? Wait a second, let me guess.

33:55 - I've been thinking about it. - It's not what the store is called. [It suddenly became the Sponge show] It's not the store but the type, right? [NewJeans is short for blank] The type of kimbap is called NewJeans. I don't know what "New" stands for. I can guess the rest. Can you? Isn't it "New!" "Jesus," it's "Sweet"? [Jesus, that's wrong] Jesus, it's sweet? [I want to get it right] Isn't it mixed with English and Korean? NewJeans? Jeans? Maybe it's the sauce. Sriracha? [Loud but wrong] I think "New" is definitely just the word "New." - It's a new item. - New "Jinju ham." Jinju ham. Jinju ham, I love that brand! [So do I] New Jinju ham... [Stop saying Jinju ham] I'm craving Jinju ham. What do you think it is, Young Seok? Jinmichae Spam! [Immediately right] That's right.

34:41 I eat a lot of kimbap. - I never even thought of Jinmichae. - I have it almost every time we shoot. - What's the "New" for? - I have no idea what the "New" is. [It's just a new item] Oh, is it really just new? - Let's try the NewJeans one. - Jinmichae. [Stares] Looks good! Speaking of aspiring PDs I hope you like kimbap. We eat this a lot. [Meetings, shooting, editing, always kimbap Broadcasting - kimbap = 0] Half of all your meals will be kimbap. - You have to be aware of that. - That's the case for the cast as well. The good thing is that I love kimbap. - So do I. - I never get sick of it. Thank you. I've been eyeing them since the beginning. [Finally a bite of the New Jinmichae Spam] This is the Jinmichae... Mmm. Oh. [Nom] [Also nom] It's good! I've never had this combo before.

35:27 I always get tuna or something. - It's nice. - It's good. It's very tender. Jinmichae can be too tough sometimes but this is really tender. [That's why it's new] That's why it's called NewJeans. - There's a spicy sauce too. - Yeah, a little bit. It's not too sweet or spicy. Pfft. [Bursts out laughing out of nowhere] What is it? Why are we commenting on kimbap all of a sudden? [In the middle of shooting] Why did we just open this? I've actually been eyeing them for a while. Why are we not eating them when they're right there? [The two of them kept touching the kimbap] I was watching Young Seok and Seok Jin and you weren't opening them so I thought "Maybe they've eaten already." We didn't get the timing right. It would've been a shame if we didn't open these. Yeah, they're really good. What's your favorite type of kimbap? [Kimbap bias survey while they're on the topic] I like all types of kimbap. Anchovies and peppers. I like aged kimchi and tuna.

36:13 - Oh, I love that too. - It's really good! [Shaking hands for sharing a favorite kimbap] It's not just tuna. There has to be aged kimchi too. My pick is the basic kimbap or the aged kimchi and tuna. I like anchovies and pepper or the ones where it's mostly egg. [Keto kimbaps that are popular as a diet option] I know, the ones where it's eggs instead of rice. He's trendy, more than any of us. He's way ahead of us. That's why Yu Jae Seok is in demand. I tell you my favorite kimbap and that leads to me being way ahead? Because that's the trend, with the eggs. Yeah, it's trendy. It's low-calorie. This really feels like we're in a meeting. [A calendar, a view of Sangam-dong a whiteboard, kimbap, a paper cup pen holder] [We decorated it like a real meeting room] Was this intentional? The meeting room vibe? - It really feels like a meeting room. - Oh! - I didn't see this before. What's this? - Oh, Kwang Soo! [What and whom do they have in common?] You're working with Kwang Soo, aren't you? [Green Bean Red Bean: Reap What You Sow] The first episode was just released.

36:59 [Lee Kwang Soo and Doh Kyung Soo run a cafeteria] GBRB. Did you do this for us? - They did. - Oh, did you? We wanted to know what you had in common. The people we've worked with? But we couldn't figure out when Jae Seok and Young Seok first met. - I don't remember exactly. - Wait, when did we... - Have you two worked together? - We haven't. [They never did a show together] We never did a show together. We'd just run into each other now and then. It was when I was doing Sunday shows. When he was killing it with Thrilling KoongkoongDda I would be assistant directing a segment somewhere or assisting him sometimes [They'd just say hi to each other] and he'd ask "Who's that?" and I'd say hello. He's one of the few people who would remember. - Most people don't care. - I think that's when I saw you.

37:44 [Another BTS story while we're at it] I was on KoongkoongDda with Ho Dong and Hwee Jae [Before the KoongkoongDda game came to be] and Han Suk joined later. [there was a period where the segment changed] We changed segments every other week. - Right, it kept changing. - That happened. It was like that for three months before the KoongkoongDda game was a hit. You know, about that game Seok Yun came and said "I'm sorry, we don't have anything at the moment. Do this while we come up with something." [And that placeholder was KoongkoongDda] And that was KoongkoongDda. That was KoongkoongDda. - Who knew that would be a hit? - That became a hit. You know better because you're the PD but the thing is the games on KoongkoongDda were fun but the stories around the games were entertaining too. That's right. It's not just games, penalty, then the end. A lot of shows were like that. [KoongkoongDda's uniqueness] But KoongkoongDda was different because the penalty would pass on to the next week and that would be like a storyline and that established characters

38:32 and that would lead to costumes the next week. [Building a narrative like that within a show] Now, a lot of shows are structured that way but back then it was revolutionary. [They didn't plan it or write it that way] But it wasn't really planned. [It just evolved into a reality show] It evolved that way over those nine short months. They established the basis for all Korean variety shows. There was a chemistry between the cast members. [Ex. Tom and Jerry = Ho Dong and Jae Seok] The chemistry was immaculate. [People loved the relationship they had] Chemistry doesn't even begin to describe it. Wow, all that in just nine months. That's unbelievable. I thought that Won Ho did that for three years. Because he'd bragged about it like he did. "You wouldn't believe what Jae Seok did today!" [Pinggyego] - Oh, Seok Jin. Congratulations. - On what? On turning 60. I told you I'm not 60... [Feeling uncomfortable] Why do you keep exaggerating?

39:17 [He asked if he was born '66] I saw an article listing stars born in '66. [He misunderstood] No, I'm telling you. [Read somewhere] They listed all the stars turning 60 this year - and you were there. - Is this not right? [Seok Jin was born February 10th, 1966] They were mistaken. [so he's 58 years old, 59 if you count by year] If you look me up online [and 60 in Korean age] it says I'm 58. Did you tell the search engine people so it would say you're 58? [Frustrated] No, that's my age! [Age-confused] Why are you doing this? - Born in '66, 60 years old this year. - You're '66. I am. I remember clearly because you're two years younger than Camera operator Kang. Yeah, Chan Hee. [Camera operator Kang Chan Hee: An experienced operator who worked on 2 Days & 1 Night and Running Man] You know Chan Hee, the camera operator? His name is in shows from the '80s. You see the credits and there's his name. It gave me chills! [He joined the KBS video production team in '85] He's a living legend. He's still in the field. I can't believe we're talking about Chan Hee. A lot of people know about him, though.

40:02 [They're on their way to bring up everyone in the industry] Since he was mentioned and we're talking about him he basically created the filming system for modern variety shows. - Variety show trends change. - They do. When the trend shifted to group variety shows for example when Running Man started and had more than 10 people on... That's right, you have to capture every single person's face. So he thought about how to film the scenes and he made up a whole system. We're discussing the whole history of variety shows today. [The history of variety shows] We're even talking about the camera operators. [Lecturers: Jae Seok, Young Seok, Seok Jin] That's incredible. [Part one: The beginning of reality shows Part two: The evolution of filming techniques] He's an incredible camera operator. Do you have a habit that comes from your job? [Part three: Habits of industry workers] From being a PD. Something that's particular to you? A habit that's particular to me? What kind of habits do I have as a PD? I've seen some PDs saying "Cut" while watching TV.

40:49 [A PD's habit he witnessed] Were they practicing? Are they practicing it for their job? And they tilt their heads when the show doesn't cut when they're supposed to. [Unhappy] I have never picked a cut in my life. Are you serious? [The "cut" they're talking about] What I'm talking about is [is when they pick which camera's image will air from the control room] when we pick from for example, cut one or cut three. I've just been editing [His whole career, he's only been editing] putting cuts together by hand. You have this huge amount of footage. What's picking a cut? It's when I yell cut and someone cuts to that camera. [From hours of footage from more than 10 cameras] I would take Song Hwa's footage [they'd choose, cut, and paste by hand] and get Eun Jin's footage, and so on. [A problem he'd never imagined] It's all done by hand. It was my dream to pick cuts.

41:34 [A variety show PD's dream we didn't know about] You know, directors PDs all have different styles. Some are very enthusiastic. For example [For example, reactions on set] reactions. When we're filming, they'd laugh. But when someone keeps interrupting the flow or is talking about unrelated things... [Frustration] Oh, that big a reaction? - They can't help it. - Oh, no. [Just thinking about it is scary] They can't control it. Wow, that's intimidating. Even if it wasn't actually that big [Times 100 in the cast's eyes] it might've felt that way to the cast. I saw them actually put their palm on their face. [The PD wants to know] How does that feel as a cast member? If a cast member sees something like that it makes them lose confidence.

42:20 When we're talking and everyone here is laughing [The set has good vibes] the atmosphere is great [and the cast does better] and you can do better. But think about it, if someone's like... [An expression of emotion that would be uncomfortable in any social situation] Also, the cast doesn't know what to do when we'd said something and they go quiet [Serious whispers] and whisper among themselves. [I know what you mean] When the main PD and the main writer whisper to each other. - Right. - They're talking. [An emergency meeting one meter away from you] Like an emergency meeting. I'm like "Did I do something wrong?" [The staff stories keep coming] And sometimes it's like this. We talk about the staff sometimes. And they're right there [To the staff] so we ask "Isn't that right?" and sometimes they agree. But sometimes they draw the line. [Stern] "No, not at all." [Interpretation] "Don't talk about that." [Editing on site due to a certain reason]

43:06 Wow. We're talking about very obscure industry things. The viewers can't see the staff's face. [Nods] There's this type of communication going on. There are lots of different reactions. [Q. What kind of signal is this?] When they're like... They don't want you to ask the guest that question. [If signals don't work, the sketchbook comes out] And they write it on the sketchbook. And that's always the scary writer's role. [1000000000000% relatable] Among the writers - there are generous ones - Oh, there are different roles? and then there are the scary ones. The PDs too, the main PD [Usually the warm, forgiving one] is usually like "Sure, whatever you'd like." That's their role and then there's the unsmiling PD. It's like good cop, bad cop.

43:54 - It is. - Definitely. Oh, and usually the good cop comes after. [After the bad cop is gone] They come afterwards [Pat pat] and they're like "Why are they so mad?" "I'm sorry about that." [The good cop stands up for a reenactment] "They're just like that." They're not around when it happens. [Setting the scene: The bad cop is scolding him] Song Hwa is taking care of the situation. "Don't do that. We've talked about this." - And then... - That's when they come in. [Setting the scene: The good cop is elsewhere] They're just looking at other stuff. [Waiting for their cue] And then the nice one comes in. They're looking at some other stuff [The good cop: Now is my time!] and they come over like "Is everything okay?" [Based on a true story] That happens. When the bad cop is gone that's when the good cop comes in. [Huge realization] I knew it, there's a manual. - Well, not really. - I always thought the timing was strange. It's not pre-determined but it flows like we've rehearsed it. [The carrot-and-stick policy] They sternly draw the line

44:40 and then pat you in the back. You know it's fun to look back on, what goes on on set but because all of us have to make tangible results within a limited time, like in a week sometimes I think we feel empathy for each other. Of course. Sometimes it doesn't work out. We know that. - Of course, we all do. - And also - sometimes the situation is just not great. - Sometimes things don't go right. That's so true. And in the past we used to dive into water and stuff. - Oh, I made a lot of people do that. - Right? - Diving into water. - You don't have to say it like that. You don't have to beat around the bush like that. - Who are you talking to? - I'm sorry. [Apologizes and continues] 2 Days & 1 Night was famous for that and making people sleep outside, too. How could you do that to a fellow human?

45:28 Huh? Is that something you should do? Looking back, I don't think I can do it now. I wasn't totally evil, though. For example, we'd shoot in the middle of winter. We'd go somewhere and do "winter camps" and stuff. - They still do that. - I know, they do. When we would do that, it was actually freezing. - Then - Of course it was. during the time the cast was outside if it got way too cold they could freeze, or get frostbite. I'd have to know about that. [He had to know the line where it got dangerous] So what I used to do is that if they lost a game and had to skip a meal I would too. Is that so? - So I can... - Know. Right, not out of empathy

46:14 but to be aware of the humanly limit [Ex. A game with dinner on the line] so I know what they can handle. - And also the cold. - I've never heard this before. It's only fun to a certain point but if you go past that there's a point where it becomes stressful for both parties. And the point of it all is to make something fun. It's to create something entertaining but there's a certain line. So I endured it with my own body. I would actually dive into the water first when we were location-hunting. - Really? Even in the winter? - Yes. - You actually did it yourself? - Of course! Oh, well, most of the time it wasn't actually myself - but someone from the staff. - You need to be clear about that. A staff member anyway. That staff member might write a comment. [More accurately] Someone else did it most of the time. But anyway, we tried it first. But the thing is I was able to do that because I was young.

47:00 I could take the cold. When the cast were like "I'm cold" I was like "I'm fine." [Above board] While they were outside I was outside with them. And I could take another 10 minutes. [Those were the days] But that was only possible because people like Ho Dong were physically capable. Or else it wouldn't have worked. I know that now. Now, if I had to do that again my capacity went down this much. [Tiki] Because you're not... [Taka] Physically capable anymore. - I can't do that now. - It's different from back then. From our point of view as the cast sometimes when you're on a show you're like "This isn't right." In the past, I would say it to them. "I don't think this is going to work." "We need to find another way." But with time I learned to not say things like that.

47:45 - I just do it. - We do it anyway. Because they have to shoot something. In order to make just one segment - the staff puts in so much effort. - We talked about that, they do simulations. In the past, I would think more as the player but now I know to view it from the staff's point of view. I learned that over time with experience. [Staring] Are you trying to get into production? No, I'm not. Are you starting a production company? [Everyone suspecting his change in position] It works since it's Antenna here! What I need isn't a production company. What I need is to get it together. [Being funny per his current job] I started thinking that way. - At a certain point. - Of course. Even though we work in the same space I used to think about how I can be more funny or how we can be more entertaining.

48:30 Even though I still do now I care more about the staff sitting there and the looks on their faces catch my eye more often. To me, that's when I think about Running Man. I used to hate Running Man in the past. And then I had no feelings whatsoever towards it. - But now I absolutely love it. - I get it. That's because it was my competitor before. Sure, it's natural. We're competing and I had to win so that's why I hated it. I understand. Time proves it. That crew and that cast has been doing that for over a decade. And only people in the business know how big of a deal that is. [His feelings about people in the industry] How hard must the PD and writers be working? [have changed a little] How difficult must it be? It's just like you said.

49:16 Before it was just about competing and wanting to win. Because we needed to survive. But now, even though we're competitors I think about how hard they must be working. - You feel that too, right? - Of course we do. That's how I think now. That's why I don't just refuse to do something. - I try it first. - You give it a shot. That's amazing to hear as someone in production. There used to be a lot of difficult cast members. And we go into the set knowing they won't like it sometimes. [Scratches] [The side we didn't know about] We already know. I mean, we've been working together for a long time. Would I not know this person's likes and dislikes? [They expect the cast's reactions] I expect their reactions. They simulate that too.

50:03 - We know. - Oh, you have it in mind. If I've worked with them before. [The staff and the cast learn each other's styles] But still, as a PD, you have confidence in what you've planned so you want to go with it. [Hesitates] Because you're confident. Actually [When they're coming up with new stuff every week] when we're coming up with stuff weekly we can't fill the show with what we're 100 percent confident about. Right. Sometimes I know they're not going to like it and they're going to be right [They have to air every week with no exception] but we still have a show to do that week and we can't do nothing. But at the same time I can't say "This is a lost cause but make it work please." I can't do that, right? "Make it work! Force it this week!" How could I say that? So I sweet-talk them into thinking it's good.

50:50 [Something we didn't know about] I didn't know you had that problem. [Getting it off his chest] That's just how it goes! - That's how it goes. - That's how it goes. But sometimes they would say something. [As expected, the cast is not convinced] If it feels like I won't be able to convince them I take a phone call [The good cop is gone] [Time for the bad cop] and the bad cop comes in. [Responding to the call] "Just do it, okay?" [A busy rotation] And then I come back. [Playing it cool] "So about that earlier..." [The puzzle is all coming together] You devil PD! Gosh, you're all actors. You've all been acting! [Feeling betrayed from every direction] You're all actors. - We gotta do what we gotta do. - We're finally learning the industry secrets. I've been doing this for over 30 years and I'm just now learning about bad cop, good cop. Those of you who are interested in the industry this is invaluable information.

51:36 It's not pre-determined, but it just happens. It's just good teamwork of the staff. You know what, actually of the two options you just gave us the "Doesn't this sound fun?" and "This is a lost cause" [He's more drawn to the latter] I prefer the latter. "This is garbage to be honest but I believe in you." "Let's make it work then!" - Oh, you're like "Let's make it work." - That's right. But when you're like "Doesn't this sound fun?" I'm like... Then... [The good cop leaves] [And the bad cop comes] "Just do it already!" "You have no choice, just do it!" The main writer comes in. "Wait, Young Seok." [Pretends to be busy on the phone] [but he's listening] "You really think that's going to work?" "Just do it, we have no choice."

52:21 "We have no other options?" "No, sorry." "Come on, that's never going to work." "Sorry about that, so as I was saying..." [The key is to enter like he doesn't know anything] That's how it works. Yeah, it's just teamwork. And also, you probably know. When you've done something good for the last three weeks - and they give you this? - I know. They had no time. They had no time to do a proper meeting after last week's special episode. You can already see through that. Sometimes I get that feeling on set. This is too good, it's a problem. [In real time] I'm like [he worries] "What are we going to do next week?" I worry about that. - "How are we going to top this?" - Exactly. I can feel it. That we can't top that because it's not calculated. [Funny situations are born naturally] Different elements make the situation

53:07 naturally funny. Sometimes the variety gods just bless us. [Everyone in the business can relate] They do. That's such an amazing thing. Sometimes you feel really good after wrapping up. You really do sometimes. When it's over people are like "Great work, everyone!" "Oh, thank you!" But when it doesn't go very well, it's like "Great job." [After they put on a poker face and clean up] "Bye, thank you." [everyone gets together for an emergency meeting] And then they all cross their arms and talk with their long puffer jackets on. [The industry talk is never-ending] We mostly talked about the business. That was inevitable. No matter if you've done a show together or not there's always this sort of comradery between us. The good cop, bad cop thing was so funny to hear. I really hope there would be an opportunity for us to work together on a show. A real variety show? - We have to do a variety show. - A real variety?

53:52 [Of course] It has to be a variety show. Do you still have the passion to do a variety? If I can get a big name. [I'm a big name] Because we're always crazy about success. We go nuts when it comes to a successful show. [He likes the honest phrasing] He "goes nuts," that's funny. He's very straightforward. Young Seok said this in an interview before. [Episode 40 of tvN's You Quiz on the Block] "Ratings matter to us." It's not easy to just come out and say that. That's how we make a living. [It's all about making a living] We all have to make a living. That's true. Eggiscoming is getting big now, right? - Gosh, don't get me started on how anxious I am. - You have to pay people.

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