Mehdi Hasan Destroying Everybody for 37 Minutes

0:00 2009 and 2010 you made $750,000 you had the money to pay for law school you didn't need a Soros affirmative action scholarship that you now I mean none of this is worthy but if you think it is let's get to the detail that was actually the first say anti-affirmative action you took a scholarship for immigrants so why did you take a scholarship for the children of IMR which falsehood would you like me to address the financial one or the or the one about my views on affirmative action cuz I can go in whichever order you final piece of it not not at the time that I had applied for the scholarship that fall December this is awkward for you because you did I've got the tax returns in front of by by the way by the way just on a factual Point since we heard a lot about the second speaker about how

0:45 backward we Muslims all are on a factual point you said that Islam was born in Saudi Arabia Islam was born in 610 ad Saudi Arabia was born in 1932 ad so you were only 1,322 years off not bad not bad start there uh talking of maths by the way a man named alisi was one of the greatest mathematicians of all time a Muslim worked in the Golden Age of Islam he's the guy who came up with not just algebra but algorithms without algorithms you wouldn't have laptops without laptops Daniel Johnson tonight wouldn't have been able to print out his speech in which he came to break us Muslims for holding back the advance and intellectual achievements of the West which all happened without any contribution from anyone else other than the judeo-christian people of Europe in fact Daniel David Levering the author of the poit prize winning historian and

1:32 author of The Golden Crucible points out that there would be no Renaissance there would be no Reformation in Europe without the role played by I Sina and I rush and some of the great Muslim theologians philosophers scientists in bringing Greek texts to Europe that you can say to a Palestinian model who wasn't born in 1972 that you cannot advertise a sneaker associated with the 1972 Olympics because pal Ians carried out acts of Terror at those Olympics the only thing you can say they have in common is that they're Palestinian which is the definition of bigotry it's a definition of racism right there's no debate about it if you're saying that you are linked to those people what are you linked on oh because you're all Palestinian then that's the definition of collective punishment Collective blaming bigotry

2:18 racism and I think Adidas Adidas whatever the hell we want to call this anti-palestinian shoe company is has basically just kind of rolled over for not just Zionism or Israel over for a bunch of racists let's just be clear about that of course we have social responsibilities as politicians I absolutely agree with that do you have policies on fighting racism yes we do we're completely intolerant of intolerance what's the PO you said you have policiy well that is the policy that's not a policy that's just another phrase what's your definition of a policy a plan that a government can enact using the powers of the state or the ex cheer changing laws around discrimination inequality changing the education system cracking down on discrimination plent of Poli I'm not even a politician all of those follow all of those follow from our three words okay let's go this

3:05 lady now I condemn the invasion of Ukraine do you I condemn everything which led to the Victor Victor people are here listening to you you're just all lives mattered us right ceas fire is the most I agree with you so so far we've agreed ceasefire is important ceasefire American invasion of Iraq was wrong we agree you said it you said a moment Afghanistan Syria I'm with you on all of them yes okay Russian invasion of Ukraine is wrong you condemn it no I think we need to really go back into the history to see what exactly happened Victor you can condemn every American Invasion but you will not condemn the Russian invasion then you say everyone should respect China's sovereignty you don't respect Ukraine you can't bring yourself to condem the Russian you need to listen very carefully as to what Russia is saying I'm listening so

3:50 carefully to you tonight I'm not hearing a condemnation okay isn't the real reason Donald Trump is fighting this war on immigration is that he's a racist if when the president tells four women of color members of Congress to quote go back to where they came from even though four of them all of them are US citizens and three of them were born in the US is that not racist I know Donald Trump I've spent a lot of time with that he is not a racist okay he's not a racist is that comment racist people can interpret I'm asking you Stephen we invited you to answer question is it racist why would you answer it because what's the problem move I don't think Donald Trump is racist disagree with some of the things telling people to go back to where they came from is it racist it's a yes or no question question I know facts not your strong point is energy production higher today under Biden than under Trump it's a simple yes or no question you're an

4:38 obnoxious don't care about your feelings do are Americans wrong when they have this feeling well the feelings because I ask if energy production is higher today than under Trump you're obious because I'm asking you why you would say that by obnoxious you're a racist we want to play that game you said Obama is not born in America he's not one of us he yeah you said Trump is doing a great job asking for his birth ific you said you said he's not one of us you said he jives and Schmucks should we go down the record you're going to call me obnoxious why don't you talk about your racism you're always very keen to put it all on Israel no because if we're talking about I try and be a little bit more like hang on hang on when you commit a terror attack the scale you both sides occupation and illegal no I don't yeah you are you said I try and be fair you can't be fair to an occupy by the way when we talk about Russia and Ukraine this is what frustrates me and I know my

5:23 friend Owen Jones sat here and said the same thing to you when we talk about Russia Ukraine you don't do both sides you blame Russia as the invader occupy you don't do that with Israel that is the double standard on your part um I mean do you actually believe in your Muslim faith do you believe that Muhammad split the moon in two do you believe that Muhammad Flew To Heaven on a winged horse for example I I pay you the compliment of assuming that you that you don't no I do I believe in miracles you believe that yes you believe that Muhammad went to heaven on a winged horse yes I believe in God I believe in miracles I believe in Revelation I mean the point here is that let's assume I'm wrong Richard I'm let's let's assume I'm wrong I'm wrong I'm happy to concede that Richard I'm happy to concede it I'm wrong all religions are wrong God does not exist we're all mad the issue is We

6:11 Exist view I'm fascinated by how somebody a a a respected sophisticated journalist in the 21st century can believe that a prophet Flew To Heaven on a winged horse let me ask you this are all people who hold beliefs in God and in Miracles and the supernatural do you regard them all as intellectually inferior to you one of the most common questions that I get from Young Muslims is about Interfaith relationships I'm a Muslim I've fallen in love with a non-muslim is there any hope for us and they usually say something along the lines of that my parents and their Imam insist that Islam uh you know stops uh Interfaith marriage is that true rather than me giving them my personal interpretation what I've come to realize is that they're actually not asking about themselves they're

6:56 asking about their parents they need an argument that will convince their parents that love is borderless What My worry is if you buy this argument that the mullers are all bad everyone thinks for them come on a l of them are a l of them are bad don't be a typal joural l of them are bad do that a lot of them are bad I read two of your books they didn't come out very well don't polarize a lot of them a lot of them are bad we think for ourselves we don't allow them to monopolize power end the power game Etc My worry is My worry is if I'm in alqa that's very appealing I don't need to worry about a classical law scholarship I just make up my own religion I give a fatwa saying kill the Jews and they do and they do that's exactly Val and aren't you validating them because you're saying from a liberal perspective we make it up as we go along and they from an extremist perspective say let's make it up as we

7:41 go along you're almost empowering the very people you claim to be fighting with you know uh that's that's a very because he's given a very long film here in which he talks about Community leaders point he made about Community leaders that not really he said that they don't speak onal of Muslims I agree with him no Community leader I've ever met speak you think I've got a right to tweet the cartoon and you agree with my film what's the debate I agree with your film because a series it's a series of Straw Men for you to come along and say that you're this great dissenter and reformer speaking out against Muslim you did in the film and the reason new not invited you on here is to give that impression there are people with actual Grassroots support in the British Muslim Community who are fighting for gender rights who are fighting against extremism who are fighting to have debates about Majid sadly with great respect very intelligent guy very articulate doesn't speak for them it has

8:26 zero credibility in the Muslim Community is loed by many Muslims because he goes around demonizing mainstream Muslim organizations as supporters of al-Qaeda he goes around taking government money and parting the government line on extremism he goes around promoting leaders of the edl all right I want to bring in question for m in view of the fact that in Australia Muslim couples have a much higher birth rate than the rest of us is it not possible that in a couple of generations Australia could have a Muslim majority who vote in Shar law further if so is it not possible that sex could develop SE uh sunnis and Shia he begin bombing and shooting each other and turning currently the best country into the world like another War torn Middle Eastern country um this is not islamophobia this is sharah law

9:13 phobia okay um I think there was a lot more than sharah law in there um let me just try and unpack your point in fact in a country like Iraq you mentioned warart torn countries in the Middle East Iraq a country torn apart by War partly by its horrific dictator partly by Western coalition that involved Australia that went in to make it more war torn and today's Riven by sectarian splits that didn't really exist before 2003 pre 2003 sunnis and Shia got married in Iraq had sushi children mixed children right so let's not and today I'm sorry to say a lot of a lot of the sectarian divisions in the Middle East are geopolitical pushed by Muslims a lot of them are pushed by Foreign Wars and foreign occupations I'm sorry to say so you don't have to worry soon as this I have many friends who are Shia many friends who are Sunni we're not all eat each other throats please don't believe

9:58 everything read about us come and talk to us meet us make sh and to friends and then you'll see as the Hamas spokesman saying on camera after October the 7th we are going to keep doing this again and again and again that that's different because literally doing it as we speak they have a charter to get rid worse K tens of thousands of people but see tens of thousands of pales you and I so does hold on hold on hold on Pi so does the liquid party so does the liquid party 1977 liquid party Charter what does it say between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty River to the Sea that's the liquid chart up here I haven't heard you criticize the liquid Charter in fact tonight the colonel knows that hundreds of people went to netanyahu's house and screamed you have blood on your hands

10:45 Israeli protesters I guess they're all Hamas right the Israeli position now is anyone who disagrees with them is Hamas I'm guess that tomorrow they'll say CIA direct to Bill Burns who was involved in this hostage negotiation deal he's Hamas too everyone's Hamas and as for deception I mean come on uh the colonel was a spokesperson for the IDF which has spent the last 6 months lying Abby your network has debunked multiple lies at the Israeli military has told CNN's Jeremy Diamond I urge all your viewers to go and watch your colleague Jeremy Diamond's report on 10 kids killed in the Alm magazi refugee camp last month the Israeli said we had nothing to do with it and yet Jeremy interviewed three Munitions experts who looked at the evidence said yeah Israel killed those 10 kids so when we talk about deception we're we're learning from the Masters here she on the planet or are you going to vote in favor of what are quite mild

11:31 consequences for the Saudis we're not talking about regime J chrisen did we didn't bring it up we're just talking about the cutting of ties for the ending of red carpets for the suspension of arm sales don't listen to the fearmongering of the opposition of crisen blunt who tells us that if we stop selling bombs to Saudi Arabia there'll be a revolution inside the kingdom which seems rather bizarre to me for a man who's such a big supporter of brexit he's given us a lot of project fear tonight um and this isn't just about human rights this isn't just about human rights this is about interests as well 19-year-old student Shaban Ahmed software engineering student alaza University Jonathan's military destroyed his university destroyed his house displaced him made him homeless five times over the past year on Monday the world we all watched him burn to death thanks to

12:19 israeli's bombing the area outside the hospital that he was on an IV on a bed in a tent he burned to death his mother died two other maybe three other people died I'm not sure how Jonathan still comes on these shows and defends that kind of barbarism and open war crimes I'm not sure how Jonathan sleeps at night watching people burned to death thanks to the military that he served and is now being investigated both at the international court of justice and the international criminal court I think beating demonstrators is a mistake yes I'm admitting it when you torture people it's more mistake it's shameful okay well on the issue of shamefulness when I was in ramala I drove past a building which I was told was the Palestinian presidential Palace cost several million dollars it was grossly obscenely big I'm wondering why does the president of an occupied people need to live in a palace

13:05 it's not built for him it's for our guests which guests and what you call the presidential Palace is a guest house we have parliamentarians from all over Earth we have NOS coming to visit us and so on so where do you keep boting them in the moving B at $300 a night we can't afford it this why we build this guest house and please come and visit it and if you come I will have you stay there we did I promise I did come to rala and when the AL jaer camera crew went to film The Palace they were threatened with arrest talked about in worri we are settling it out we're worried we the rest of the world doesn't want a nuclear war because your two countries sorted

13:50 out you worry about many more things that are happening your Isis can catch hold of weapons worry about isry worry about them worry about my Isis you Isis in this sense Isis can catch hold of nuclear weapons worry about them the terrorists in the Middle East terrorists in Pakistan can catch hold of nuclear weapons worry about them as far as India and Pakistan are concerned we behave as responsible Nations we try and responsible Nations that have fought several Wars that have nuclear weapons in defiance of the International Community and you can't even tell me tonight what your proposal for peace is apart from talking about Isis we have so yeah the world let me ask you about what Israel is doing I had uh senior spokesman for

14:36 Hamas Osama hamdan on this show a few weeks ago and he actually said basically his organization will be willing to live with a Palestinian state in the West Bank alongside Israel you say a flat no to that which means you're basically more uncompromising now more extreme than Hamas is the Israeli government has a more extreme position than Hamas wow well uh Hamas has proven what happened when we give even a centimeter of land to Arabs they shoot missiles at us we left Gaza we handed it over to AB didn't leave Gaza come on you control the airace you control the territorial Waters you control the borders you control the population register is that what you call leaving Taiwan should just surrender because there's no way for them to attack these warships that they're being called hospitals uh

15:23 without in your view violating international law I mean it's a crap analogy me with respect nobody's nobody's claiming that Hamas built hospitals as warships the argument is are they using hospitals to hide in or hide under nobody disputes those are hospitals have you been to those hospitals my friend just came back from a hospital in Gaza he saw kids being brought in with gunshot Woods to their head he saw people having operations without anesthetic the who has pointed out that the vast majority of healthcare facilities in Gaza have been damaged or destroyed dozens of American and Canadian and British doctors have gone out white people Jamie not just Brown Muslims have gone out there and come back and We're Not Gonna We're not gonna we're not going to play the race game there no let me finish my sentence then you come back in they've all gone out and said hospitals Healthcare facilities have been destroyed have been damaged for you

16:10 to claim that Hamas built a hospital pretending it's a military base is an absurd analogy your China One the wor ever I said if you don't want to be called Nazis stop doing table and people will sit there no by me I never called you unite I mean I'm not sitting here saying I of the Palestinians I'm used to it yeah well I'm hope your beeper doesn't go off the thing is is that you say I should here what I will say forget the racism that's right I should die I didn't say that you should die you said what what does beeper mean don't give me your fance you should die why did you say my be what mean what did you mean by the Beeper what did you mean by theep no you didn't you said I hope your beep doesn't go off at least have the guts to support your racist you don't think the Israeli Air Force bombing apartment buildings

16:55 refugee camps mosques cemeteries hospitals School universities liar firstly it hasn't bombed as far as I know hospitals they have attacked asally no literally no no expert agrees with you on that that's not that's not true what you're saying is not true the only Hospital which I remember being bombed was by a rocket fired by the Islamic Jihad by mistake that's as far as I remember Israel has raided hospitals Israel let let me let me talk Israel has raided hospitals but with infantry found Hamas people in their Hamas headquarters inside hospitals under Hospital actually we've never seen the headquarters the Benjamin n put a beautiful Bond movie video out for we've never actually seen that from underneath Al shifer it's been several

17:41 months we're still waiting for that so on the 31st of October according to Human Rights Watch Israel Israeli forces unlawfully attacked a six-story residential building killing 106 civilians including 54 children without warning four strikes completely demolished Human Rights Watch found no evidence of a military Target in the vicinity making the strike unlaw aul indiscriminate under the laws of war Israeli authorities have provided no justification for the attack the Hamas always hides their own even the Israelis didn't say that they were hiding in the apartment building I you said you don't want to be a spokesman for the government you're offering a better defense to the government than the government is I don't know everyone abides by and what's tragic done is in the last six months the United States and the UK have allowed Israel to tear up those rules and going forward every other country will say now well Israel did it we can

18:28 do it shut Ms but one thing that we haven't discussed and that I don't hear a lot in the conversations is October 7th and I think Jewish Americans believe that hey you guys have forgotten that we were attacked on October 7th there are still hostages and a lot of people died l no one's forgotten that we talk about hostages all the time we talk about October 7th all the time the point about October 7th is it doesn't justify a genocide it doesn't justify war crimes it doesn't justify Collective punishment it doesn't justify a famine right there's a man-made famine in Gaza every humanitarian Aid on planet Earth done says that this famine is preventable that it's man-made that there is food nearby that the Israelis have either blocked aid from coming in or when they allow the aid to come in alwell Central Kitchen they bomb the aid none of that is justified by October the 7th I interviewed the the son of a a husband

19:15 and wife who were killed by Hamas on October the 7 and he said please don't use my parents the death of my parents to justify the killing of Innocents in Gaza and I agree with it cemeteries mosques churches put aside the morality of that for a moment just the political suicide who who in this country likes Benjamin Netanyahu why are you going to bat for Benjamin Netanyahu why are you risking American democracy for Benjamin Netanyahu why are you risking your reelection for Benjamin Neto why why I bang my I feel like banging my head on a wall every day Israel wants to do everything except what every smart person is telling them to do even members of their own security establishment are telling them to do end the occupation and then see what happens nobody's waking up in the morning saying we want to kill Israel for no reason you say medy all rows lead to the occupation yes okay Israel would say all RADS lead to Iran who cares what Israel says

20:02 they've lied for the last year they've lied they say yeah they do you care what Russia says no this is what I'm saying you're inconsistent the occupier inad doesn't I don't care it's not a barbaric if you're a liberal democracy for they're not in Liberal democracy and second of all they are no they're not uh they're ethnocracy but um even if they were a liberal democracy you don't get to invade other people's land that's not an excuse appear you sounds like you're justifying an illegal military occupation should Palestinians in the West Bank have the same rights today as their Jewish neighbors I think within that I mean I think that subject to and it's a big subject to subject to security issues which are daunting in that area I think the answer is aspirational yes I hope we get to that point remember the Palestinians live under the control of the Palestinian Authority so again if you want to talk about certain rights

20:48 and civil rights they're an occupied People ambassador the Palestinian foreign minister can't leave the West Bank without Israeli permission do you know of any foreign minister in any other country in the world who can't leave his own country without the permiss mission of a foreign country um and then you have Benjamin net pops up in the Middle with little video ads where he tells people how much he loves them before he bumbs the out of them and he's done this with Gaza he's done it with Lebanon he's now doing with Iran and The Telltale giveaway is that the subtitles The Language always in English which is not what these people speak but let's have a play Hamas is doing its utmost to maximize them by using Palestinian civilians as human shields for too longal has been using you as human shield the IDF urges Palestinian civilians to leave War zones don't let hisbah

21:33 endanger Lebanon please get out of Harm's Way now get out of H's way Matt says the guy who is sending the har if you are here tonight ladies and gent if you're here tonight to defend what Israel's done knowing full well what Israel has done if you're defending the human suffering in Gaza the amputation of little kids if you're doing that in full knowledge then you're not just here to defend the indefensible or Justify the unjustifiable I'm sorry you're a sociopath and I will say to you that through history when people say it can't get worse in Gaza I don't understand that because we've seen it get worse over the last year we've seen it get worse over the last few weeks we've seen it get worse under under Biden Harris right so I mean their point is that you can't be double genocided

22:19 right so actually you can for example the West Bank for example is somewhere that Donald Trump has his eye on Miriam adelon Imran who I'm sure you know is the biggest donor to the Republicans right now the Widow of Sheldon adelon the casino magnet hardcore anti-palestinian anti-muslim far-right Israeli americ she's given a hundred million dollar to Trump with the specific request that the annexation of the West Bank happens on Trump's watch um they are talking about wiping out Palestinians from the West Bank not just from Gaza so when people say what's worse than a genocide in Gaza I'd say a genocide in the West Bank policy and we know the UK Parliament wanted to speak to Elon Musk about the role that Twitter or X played in the horrible race riots over the summer musk here's a point for you Andrew musk said how dare you we're going to call you to the US Congress and

23:04 the very next day Senator Mike Lee a senior Republican senator from Utah said I'm going to call British MPS to testify in front of me if they go after musk he's basically got the American government or at least the Republican part of it dancing to his tune his Co record do you want me to give you a great statistic well a horrible statistic more people have died from Co on Joe Biden's watch than died on Donald Trump's watch did you know that bet you didn't know that number two number two let me just say this Donald Trump is younger than Joe Biden I like Joe Biden but I don't want my president to die in office there's a very good chance God forbid Joe Biden could die in office Donald Trump is a healthy man he eats cheeseburgers he drinks Coke but you can't deny he has some serious energy with all those long speeches so he's healthier than Joe Biden and number three give the man a chance he's only running because Barack Obama made fun of him in 2011 so let him have a chance to be president on his own

23:50 ja where can people actually go to find what is actually happening well obviously Sun 8:00 p.m. live MSNBC there's a show called a m h show which is very opinionated but very factual sorry you don't get to then come back and tell me this guy is the anti-establishment blue color billionaire then you're just in a cult because we saw four years of trump and he didn't do for the little gu but they say the economy was better a li the Border was not a nightmare not true I mean I can't deal with people's delusions it's not true to say the economy is better but but West Bank isn't Gaza exactly the West the West Bank the West Bank is isn't a dream but it's also not ruled by Hamas and it's not Gaza I'm glad you mentioned that the

24:36 West Bank is not Gaza and yet Israel has killed a record number of people in the West Bank over the last year it's killed a record number of children in the West Bank over the last year uh Sky News at the morning we're speaking has a video out showing a grandmother being killed by Israelis entering a West Bank refugee camp in an ambulance something we were told was a huge War crime when Hamas does it so you see that there is a terrorist yeah on his way to kill Israelis you should do whatever is necessary then you will be Tri and the court will decide but you know you know that many Palestinian detes who are not ticking time bombs would Tau you know that mean no it means that the legal system does not have the tools to discuss Terror

25:21 because it was shape during the time when State fought each other you have no regrets for any interrog ation abuse torture on your watch when you were ahead of shin because you said it about many people well okay so you said Bashar Al Assad in 2012 one year into the civil war in Syria when the death tole was much lower than Gaza you said it was a genocide you said the rohinga in Bur well that's well that's interesting you said ring I'm finish my question then you answer you said the rohinga in 2017 far less death toall in Burma is a genocide so I look at Piers Morgan I say here's this uncensored person very bold outspoken opinionated he says Syria is a genocide Burma's a genocide Ukraine's a genocide Israel no it's not a genocide and now today actually I'm going to

26:07 withdraw the charge of genocide with Ukraine that's how much I don't want to accuse Israel of genocide no it's not feels like you're afraid no that President Trump stands for are the policies the vast majority of Republicans in the United States which 87% this gentleman represents a tiny faction of the Republican uh party who are really Republicans and name all no one's disputing popularity this not not a show about well I it's a a show about democracy let me let me ask you this let's talk about immigration big issue you want to talk about policy and substance you yourself I believe entered the country back in 1961 corre as a political Refugee as a child with your parents from Cuba you benefited from American law international humanitarian law Refugee protection Asylum laws you were not denied the right to Asylum you were not separated from your parents at the border why do you support a man

26:53 today who supports doing that to today's refugees from Latin America oh that's because when you have a constant media diet of lies and propaganda which these people are kind of injecting into their veins every night and we now know that the hosts well we already knew but now we can prove that the hosts don't even believe the nonsense they're saying to their viewers by the way Joy you and I are often accused of having contempt or disrespect for the conservative voters no one has more contempt or disrespect for conservative voters than conservative media personalities by the way but look how do you stop that when you have non-stop lies I don't have the Silver Bullet it's very hard when 20 to 30% of the American public has been cocooned off in a bubble where they are fed misinformation disinformation by the likes of Ingram and Hannity Israel's

27:40 territorial expansionism attacks not a mess it's Israel occupying multiple Arab lands which leads to quote unquote resistance or quote unquote terrorism whichever word I don't care what word you want to use right now but that is the core right you had John mimer on the show this week made the same point deal with the occupation then you deal with the violence and look has hisbah fired into Israel at civil yes I don't agree with that but the reality is 82% of the exchange of fire between Lebanon and Israel since October the 7th has been done by Israel you said I just want to go what you said about with respect more than 50% of social housing in London is now occupied by people who are not British that is not true I need to look at the stat we have the statistics according to London government the figure in London is 84%

28:27 according to the 2021 Census Data only 14% of londoners living in social housing did not hold a UK passport this has been pointed out to you for last year in fact you went back on GB news and corrected it and said 48% go to people who are headed by people who are not born in Britain which is a different point but you would accept the vast majority of people in social housing are British I need to look at the data I've got the data no but the fact that 48 I think 48 cop B I think I think the fact that 48% of social housing in this country has gone to to families are headed by somebody who was not born in the country is a problem so that's a different argument with respect let's talk about that argument no let's have that argument you were wrong on the first point I don't think I was wrong on the first you're 100% wrong well I'd like to look at the data the mayor of London the Census Data I don't think the mayor of

29:13 London would be a credible Source on that okay you the London government the London government don't know who's how about how highly political how about the ministry of housing 90% of social homes go to UK Nationals you're making some sweeping claims and they're wrong cynical in the extreme and I think bravoman is someone who uh interestingly people point out well her parents aren't refugees they came legally she said at Tory Party Conference last year suel braan Home Secretary said my father I'm quoting her was effectively kicked out of Kenya effectively kicked out of Kenya so hold on your father was effectively kicked out of Kenya and was embraced by Britain and you got all these opportunities but you are not going to help others who have been kicked out of their countries that is fun fundamentally what's going on the

29:59 hypocrisy is as Brazen as it is nauseating and I for one I hold brown people to a higher standard so when people say well we've got a diverse government okay then then that's even worse than if it was an allwhite government I wouldn't be as mad as I am now when I see them behaving in this way towards people on those boats who are eritreans who are Sudanese who are Syrian who are Iraqi who are Afghan they're not Ukrainian by and large K David Lamy do you believe the British government is complicit in war crimes in Gaza um I think that war crimes have been committed in Gaza and I feel that we have not done enough to stop them but are we complicit in it by arming them um I think that's a judgment that would have to be made I ask you for your judgment but you're a private citizen now you can tell me your views and

30:44 Alexis J says no need for a new inquiry because her 20 recommendations if you don't know what they are haven't been implemented yet that's fine I do agree with her David Greenwood who was the lawyer for the victims in rotheram you mentioned rotheram as a I think David Greenwood was the lawyer in rotheram of the girls he was the that's my opinion I'm I have a right to opinion David Greenwood the lawyer in rotheram of the dozens of girls he's the guy who represented the girls in rotheram he says I don't think we should have another inquiry there too many inquiries we need action we need to get the recommendations done another inquiry he says would be a distraction now that's not a gotta on my end either maybe we should have another act inqu I don't feel that strongly but I'm just telling you peers for your viewers who are following Elon Musk nonsense a man who knows nothing about this stuff that David green with a lawyer involved in this and Alexis J who did an inquiry in

31:30 rotheram and then did a national inquiry says we shouldn't have another inquiry I'm Mak the point her National inquiry she the general public forgot but Brown folks as you say are very cognizant of that I want to bring I want to bring up Gaza in a moment but right now Middle East foreign policies all as even before Gaza even before October 7th it was a factor for a lot of brown voters right um and so how do you think they reconcile that just to go back to my question do you think it's an issue of well you know I need to improve my family's life chances therefore I'm going to move to the United States regardless of how much I hate their F policy do you think it's a kind of I don't care about foreign policy is it I can try and change things from within we all have those discussions I have them with myself all the time I'm an immigrant I literally chose to come live in the US despite my critiques of what

32:16 the US does abroad how do you think people deal with it how do you reconcile the iTunes agreement I know this because we both have kids you know like they ask us these kids ask us tougher questions than May hust people think May H asked they ask like true paradoxes about like the very meaning of life but I think the thing that I I think about with my kids all the time and it applies to us uh signing the iTunes user agreement to live in the Empire is you do the best you can with the resources you're given but when it comes to foreign conflicts we still don't seem to have made that calculation there was a study done a few years ago of op-eds in the New York Times And The Washington Post uh on the subject of Israel Palestine from 1970 to I think it was 2000 and something and it was like 2% of all oped in the times and 1% in the post were written by

33:02 Palestinians which is a shocking statistic we deny these people a voice and then we wonder why people don't sympathize with their plight or don't aren't you know Marching In the Street well they are Marching In the streets but in bigger numbers why America is okay and kind of you know blind to the fact that we are complicit in a genocide of these people because we don't hear from these people are you worried that if Trump comes to power he's going to come after the media in the way that that we are seeing in other countries including you and you think so well as for me the Trump people have openly called me out by name and threatened me one guy who wants to be Trump's attorney general Mike Davis tweeted that once I'm attorney general the first thing I will do is send mediasan to Guantanamo Bay like this is the stuff they say openly this TW tweet open Public Public public um this I he doesn't have the power to do that but the point is this is the language

33:48 they're comfortable using threatening journalists and immigrants with all sorts of unconstitutional you think broer than me yeah Trump has made it very clear he plans to at the media he recently called out CBS uh he said I'm going to shut you down NBC you're traitors treason I'm going to go wait till you see what I do for's open by the way again he did this in office too people say oh he was in office in office he threatened CNN he incited violence against CNN CNN got death threats from people who liked him uh Amazon he's been very open about his authoritarian agenda Hamas Hamas could have ended that war Hamas could have just you didn't vote for weapons but H but Hamas could have decided to stand down and prioritize the safety of their people instead OFA you and I don't send money to that war for months we're not responsible for anything Hamas does you and I are

34:33 responsible for what Israel does that's correct but let's talk about accurately talk about accurately who who is responsible for this there's responsible there's responsibility in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem and there was responsibility amongst theas leadership but we're responsible for only one part of that you would agree n has made it very clear that he's not going to stop the war he doesn't want to stop the war and that's why he's never been interested in a ceasefire he's only interested in pauses so you know some people are uh spent the last 24 hours attacking me on social media because I was one of the people who said Trump will be worse on Gaza than Biden so there's a lot of gotcha moments going on right now like well look Trump was better he did in 24 hours what Biden couldn't do in a year um I would say let's wait and see right I'm old enough uh to know that Donald Trump is not what you think is not what you see and people who have celebrated Donald Trump early tend to find egg on

35:19 their faces so yeah I mean at the end of the day I always think like you don't want everybody using your products that is a bold statement to but I'm not for everyone you don't want people who support genocide to use your product absolutely not you're not allowed you're not allowed no I hope they don't ever use it I don't want them to I know it sounds horrible because you should be products for everyone but I'm not discriminating against looks religions anything it's like it's the ideology the IDE philosophy and you're supporting of K don't buy our products I mean my friend Owen Jones who I do a segment with who's a British journalist here he says the same thing which is what we've SE seen people be okay with I don't think we can ever unsee I think we like you said about some of your friends and cele they really okay though are they really okay with that who's okay

36:05 with it are people really okay with seeing what they are seeing well they have been right there are people in my industry in the news media who've been totally fine with this some have supported it the worst of the worst but also the ones who are cravenly silent have just turned a blind eye I don't think I can ever forgive those people I don't I'll ever be the same with those people forever I think in 20 years time I will still say yeah I remember what you would like to journalism my mother is more worried about me less about less about me not being a doctor more about Will trump come after you is people threatening you tomorrow I told my mom I'm becoming an accountant she would be delighted yeah or a lawyer or a lawyer she said exactly she go you know how to argue why can't you be a lawyer but a news anchor what are you actually doing a comedian what are you doing you see so I think I think you're right 100% but I think what's changed in recent years is

36:51 the attitude is changing amongst Brown folks I think they recognize the value of what you're doing and what I'm doing I think when something like happens October the 7th happens obviously go back 20 years 911 I think people belatedly in our community realize we didn't have anyone on screen we didn't have anyone in the Arts we didn't have anyone in Hollywood we didn't have anyone on the Nightly News and I think they've I think that is slowly I do a lot of travel like you do you travel for standup I travel I've done a lot of promotions for z a lot of speeches to Brown crowds I do see the change now before people would be like what is this now they're like how does my kid do what you do no I think it changed because they see you making money maybe see all about money seeing you make money I think B