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0:00 I got 11 A's and then I applied for this GPS scholarship so I got into the first interview but I meet another two girls who are Malay they told me one of them got six another one of them got five A's at that moment I was thinking uh unfair unfair I think one thing that Emily is feeling when it comes to discrimination is when we talk about getting jobs you know job application when you say Mandarin only speaking okay maybe maybe that company had to deal with Chinese you know like companies from obviously so they have to be able to speak China Mandarin sometimes like it's not been advertised on the job office you know when you do you don't really tell people that that's what you want and then you feel like Malay I believe
0:45 racist rights [Music] subscribe so today is a really special episode because we are really really breaking the bubble yes I have two Malay guests with me the Malaysia Dr Piru the second one is a lawyer Mr ainu Isa I actually we invited three Marine gases right Malay female representative as well unfortunately she's not feeling well so guys it's not that we want to surprise us or anything and we invite three yeah okay right and on the other side we have
1:30 representative from our Chinese but this one I'm not sure whether he's representing Chinese or not because he's famous for knowing Malay politics rivalries Mr taishi Hall lawyer from Borneo blog not a typical Chinese Mr leafy and we have previous news announcer from mtv7 we had Miss Chong Han hi without further Ado let's start so can we have you guys to stand behind yeah okay I have more than 10 contacts from different races in my contact list okay I believe that more than 95 percent of Malaysian especially those who are
2:16 watching this video have at least 10 contacts in their phone who are not from their same race when we are Malaysian something that we have to deal with certain people we without regarding their racial background like for example I'm a lawyer I have clients from all Races I don't even know why Lucas want to think this has a question to begin with you should you should say 100 then maybe just kidding for me instead I think some of them are long-lasting friendships especially from opposite races you will see your Indian brothers who even think bullet for you I think that kind of friendship but for Chinese I uh I trust them even to I I became some of their shareholders you know a Business Partnership tan is is I agree with him it's it's very it's very little it's you don't see a lot of sensitive topics
3:01 being discussed on the press and by the politicians and you get to mingle around with different races since you are young I think the apparent racial tension that we can see sometimes especially during closer to elections I mean on the news it's I think it's a world of politics because if you really know Malaysian Malaysians you mingle around with Malay your Malay friends Indian friends Chinese friends you will see that we are actually more similar than we are different we want the same thing we want stable life we want money we want you know find a way to feed our family you want to take care of people closer to us so on ground level I think that you know we are more similar than we are different I came from background of mixed schools
3:47 and but then I went to boarding school in school even though we still have Chinese and Indians at our at our school gonna do my a level then of course all their mixed Chinese and Indians and I went to Ireland and stayed there for nine years to do medicine and work there and uh I just start learning Chinese so my teachers obviously in my contact even though in I'm currently working in uitm right as a medical lecturer I still have a non-muslim friend as a colleagues this is the first time I know that non-muslim can work at uitm you know there's a lot of numbers yeah sounds like very Malay but it's not real so how just now mentioned that probably 95 of Malaysian have a more than 10 none their own ethnic contact in their
4:33 contact list but I may not show sure about that because I think one of the reasons why five of us are having more than 10 contacts is because we are all working adult but since if you invited some younger people then probably you will get a different result because I got my first Contact whose is not Chinese is when I was in university time which made before my University I actually only mingle around with Chinese people and then what I agree okay every part of my assignment I agree with thank you the secretion of race in Malaysia started with live style Associates occur it can be geographical and it can be Financial stature so culture is actually secondary to that so I'll give you an example let's say we are talking about kampong and we are
5:19 talking about Penang so Penang geographically are more populated with Chinese and the lifestyle and the Social Circle is manually speaking and it's more non-halawei in in many aspects and then people who grew up in that environment with that kind of Lifestyle with that kind of speaking Circle will have lesser chance to expose to the real uh other culture that was in that that's situated in let's say okay the social lifestyle and also the speaking circles are predominantly Malay where in Penang is predominantly Chinese there will be no cross path but they are happy to stay in a kampung Lester and Kota and the banda lifestyle in Penang
6:06 so the bandana LA and the banda Chinese no problem coexisting with each other we understand each other's lifestyle we meet each other in Starbucks but when let's say a Banda Chinese goes to kotongs and sarang's Malay goes to Penang that will be a cultural shop and you see whether you want to adapt to that or not even though then you will start to antagonize the entire Community oh these people they are lazy they are not competitive and these people in Penang they are greedy they have pressure and all this thing and then you go back to each other's place to solve this problem it's all about education and bring everyone closer to each other in terms of lifestyle and in terms of reaching the social speaking Circle but if drug Africa factor is a major factor how are we going to resolve it well you want to
6:52 move Qatar people to Penang is it okay no it's not about that if you have a very strong centralized education system that everyone be the same okay but not segregated education system now that will be one of the method to solve that problem extreme for everyone it's a solution SK for everyone is a solution whatever system like English should be the media education it's also a solution so one vernacular it can be any language one system for everyone from police to Sabah I think if
7:37 you want everybody to speak the same language live the same lifestyle I don't think that's feasible because if you look at big country like U.S UK multi-racial countries it's always the same thing suburb area it's either old white or all black then City area is all different races coexist with each other but does it mean that they are not United in a way or does it mean that it's not good for the country I would like to share a theory or an opinion that I heard from uh one of the political analysts in Malaysia his name is keeping we always wanted to say that we should live in the same room for us to be Harmony to be United but is that necessary can we be in the situation where we are living in a different room
8:23 you have your own Circle you have your own privacy you have your own liking way of lifestyle but once you come out to a certain platform let's let's say if in a house it will be living room and if we sometimes we step into the living room if we can have respect towards each other we talk to each other but then after the you know the connect the connection when we come back to our room we can still live comfortability with our own style I think we should be okay that I mean you only like to mingle with your own race but the problem is when you come together in a certain places where you you cross each other in the certain public issues or something you you have to learn how to respect each other we can we can have different languages like when you go to travel in oversea of course you don't speak Japanese when you are in Japan you don't
9:09 speak Spanish in Spain but if you learn how to respect you still can leave Harmony you still can get to know friends you still can communicate I brought my children in school agama for this for the purpose of I want my children to be religiously they know about religion they understand so like the way I do it is that they still in school but then at the same time I send them to program activities where they can mingle with other Chinese and Indians we understand its importance of unity and how our children are being brought up but at the same time we have to understand that the Chinese have their own priorities and they want the children to be same as the Malaysian of the Indians and how do we how do we acknowledge and how do we entertain their needs and their expectations for them at the same time we wanted these very tricky things to do so if we can
9:55 teach and encourage the malays and Indian and Chinese outside the education system they go out and mix and respect and I think that would be better I say this is one of the many methods it's not the only methods and I'm addressing the actual practical issue I'm not telling my future my Harappan My Hope and all this thing of course I hope what happened about respect but the problem about respect is that we have different definition or respect and what matters there are trillions of methods thinking about breaking the boundaries do you know what works the best so shop yes foreign
11:02 [Music] foreign [Music] oh or not but it's just like a feeling
11:47 of me having doubts it was when I uh have my SPM done and I applied for JPS scholarship so I got 11 A's not all straight A ones but uh like 708 a1s and then I applied for this GPS scholarship so I got into the first interview you know when before interview we will arrive early then we will meet papers so I meet uh another two girls who are Malay and so we just sit there and have some Chit Chat because we are waiting for the interview to start so they told me one of them got six another one of them got five A's at that moment I was thinking uh because some of my friends in my school who got like seven A's they can't even go into the first round interview there was a dub in my head
12:32 like oh wow why why is it so uh I'm not sure whether it's discrimination but it's it's the first time I feel uh so there was this day a few years ago I was in uh mama okay so I have a meeting a schedule meeting with some people so I took a table with three seats but it was quite a full um I mean there's No Vacancy okay so I sit there then there's this person from another race with his wife and his son three of them came and they demanded me that they wanted the table because there are three of them like just one of me so I explained to him that I'm waiting for other people and then he said but you
13:18 are just alone why don't you just let us eat first ever I'm here first I ordered my food already let's suddenly he yelled at me and he said something like um you're not even from this country why don't you just go back to your country kind of thing like until his wife have to like like pull him kind of kind of thing you see so I I was quite rather a direct thing but I I mean his wife was Swift by pulling him away or else I'm sure that someone would just take off his phone and record anything I will be the victim and all this thing I'm sure about that it's just a one-off incident by a person but I think that answered the question because I feel really discriminated for for my race okay can we have others guesses first come back to us have a seat I thought we've been discriminated no
14:04 discrimination no experience well I I do have some some suspicion I work in the majority normally company before in my previous employment I mean much much previous appointment my one of my earliest but you see uh whether we truly experience discrimination is gonna be a individual experience for the how being told like that is a bit of for me it's what discrimination is more for insult more of a hit to some extent can be deemed as a hate crime but discrimination in my own experience is that I experience it overseas when I interviewed in some position they never advertised that they wanna European Union citizen but when I appear
14:53 and apparently to be doing slightly better than other candidates suddenly the requirement becomes you know the only one EU citizen I'm not too sure for taxation or whatever but um I don't know that's I consider discrimination where your abilities are judged but everybody got a different result because of your skin color but it's overseas in Malaysia I know I mean if you look at my skin color then you think I'm quite lucky but when there's an incident incidences of hate crime of insulting I am not spat by what uh the house said for me is that I feel a bit take off if I have a negotiation with a seller or in the transaction and suddenly they switch to other languages
15:39 for me I feel thick up I mean I can't understand you fully okay hiding some information yes yes but I cannot deem that as a discrimination I feel that you know that could be something I'm uncomfortable with I also had some experience when I was in Ireland I was probably as a Malay as a male Muslim it's not really much apparent but I can see the the female Muslims they've been discriminated very badly like being thrown Stones just because they were having hijab oh you know that kind of things really happen uh in front of my eyes yeah that's overseas but there's one thing that I really thought my juniors especially my friend said if we are in a group like I said let's say myself Malaysian maybe that's Canadian that's Irish speak English don't speak Malay just because
16:24 there's two or three malays of you you don't speak Malay in front of other people who don't understand you because I think that's rude so when you come back to Malaysia when I have been living Malaysia for 40 years now there are certain things where you feel not insulted kind of like insulted in a way when when the other races speak and you are there and they speak in a language that you don't understand like what uh I don't just say I think what I've experienced is more like awkwardness sometimes say for example I went to a friend's wedding a couple so I was the only Chinese man there then everyone's like okay because I don't I think they don't know what to do I also don't know what to do I I was I'll just follow everything that you do but I think it's we are all trying to be to to walk on
17:10 the line of being respectful and want to cross the line or being offensive and all that so we we are trying to be nice at some time I mean most of the times so that that turned out to be a bit awkward but I do see the Goodwill behind it I got one more sharing though I'm inside the the incident but I'm not a victim so there's this a good friend of mine who is a businessman and he wanted to rent this place so badly like I said Mr Tai can you negotiate with the landlord for us I said why don't you talk to the landlord yourself the landlord is from another race and then he said oh apparently the landlord refused to run it to me because I came from this racial background so I have to bring up the landlord landlord say no I don't trust this race oh do I
17:55 say you are the lawyer would you vouch for him if something goes wrong you will be responsible then I have to say I watch for him because he's a friend of mine for many years then only he really doing so that is really a discrimination I think one thing that the malays feel when it comes to discrimination is when to come about when we talk about getting jobs you know job application when you say Mandarin only speaking I I don't know whether should I view it as discrimination okay maybe maybe that company has to deal with Chinese you know like companies from overseas so they have to be able to speak China Mandarin maybe sometimes like it's not been advertised on the job office but then suddenly a Chinese guy got it because he's Chinese the kind of things you know when you do you don't really tell people that that's what you want and then you feel like because I'm Malay and you know that kind
18:41 of thing and sometimes there are people saying I'm Emily I can speak Chinese but I see they didn't get a job and that kind of things do uh kind of being secreted around about the Malay Community but I have one question in my mind that when I speak in a language that you don't understand means the conversation doesn't involve you like it's like oh why must I let you know it's like if I'm meant to talk to you of course I will speak in a language you can understand but for me I'm not talking back behind you but you know uh language is just a tool of communication of course more familiar in my mother tongue so when I speak with you of course it will be more effective to me to stay in my dream but in order to take care of the others feeling then I need to receive my language what about my feeling like it made me feel like I'm I
19:28 didn't talk bad about you but why are you like thinking bad about me and it doesn't hurt my feeling as well yeah but in the UK I did the reverse when in the bus you know I went perhaps we see how or my Malaysian friends and what I say that this particular race is busu we will say in Barcelona [Laughter] the same idea when I'm here uh they had a better deal but interesting questions we're getting into the the G software we talk about discriminations already so can we have to go back to the bubble and next one the third question I believe every racist have equal rights in
20:13 Malaysia I believe already in Malaysia seems like oh seriously we have lots of similarities so nobody agree those who disagree produce this okay those disagreements come forward and tell us why yeah yeah so in Islam there's a concept of Ideal adult meaning putting things in the right place so that does not mean it's been has to be equal for you to be just it doesn't have to be equal opportunity of um malays in Chinese getting into scholarships right so this is very sensitive issue I have friends who got slightly battened results than I am than she didn't able to get whatever I got to
20:59 overseas and I can have your comparison I'm just studying locally and this Malay guy but how do you see that as right uh is it because the malays uh you know like uh the malays as the Cowboy Putra the the majority the one who initially was here the Chinese came of course when you talk about this history is very sensitive right tennis and Indians came later and then therefore the right that's not there when I go to overseas those people who are Irish and eu's are being prioritized should I see that as they violating my right even though I'm better than them or should I see them as okay they are the people here even though they are less better than me I mean I I don't know how to go about
21:46 that but I mean I'm trying to put my shoes in your shoes in Malaysia then by then I'm there and I experienced being a minority as well when we were when I was working in in hospital in in Cork we only have a caravan as our Surah which only fit 15 people when there are hundreds of Muslims working in the hospital we applied for mosque we've been denied even though there are Irish Muslims there are citizens of but they are denied at that time left but now it's getting better so should I see that as a you know kind of thing like you are trying to balance between the Baseline to discuss this issue is that we're all Malaysians we all belong to the same countries and different policies shouldn't apply based on your
22:33 skin color but I think most it should be applied based on meritocracy for example the example we referred to earlier I think the the EU have a different policy for foreigners I think that's that's okay but I think the question is whether as Malaysians do we have equal rights I think if you look at the NEP the new economic we see there are several policies that are you know more favorable to putras for example if if your company want to get listed you need to have 12.5 percent of the shares hold by going to trust for new projects new houses 30 of home buyers have to be trust and discount of at least I think now is seven percent discount has to be given to people trust to talk about equal rights meaning every thing has to base on merits so if you're good you're
23:20 good if you're not good then you are not qualified but if it is based on you know race status we put trust Chinese Indians then we cannot say that strictly we have uh equal rights to Ascent so I think to talk about equal rights I don't think we have equal rights uh immigration tax is equal right tax is equal well I agree what doctors say I mean it's quite ironic that the malays have to travel overseas to feel unequal I think we'll be lying to myself all right if I say they were equal things in Malaysia or if you especially if you have Indian friends you will complain about traffic stops if you have you have Chinese friends of course they will complain about taxation I mean how come you know I don't get everything that you have but you know when it comes to tax we have the same burden but if I could explain
24:06 it if you allow me to explain I think the reason why we have such an maybe not so much equal situation if you have more participation in non-malays in critical Malay sectors or vice versa okay you know Malay is participating in more addicting things of the world there's a critical lack of non-malaysian non-muslims participation in the public sector especially the police especially the military I mean imagine if we have 30 quota in the police situation then perhaps the non-malaysian non-muslims won't get unfair traffic stops I mean this is what my friends believe I also don't have never seen or experience that myself for example the teachers my my own gurubusa would love
24:53 to see 10 years 20 years ago when we have diverse pool of teachers then the students will be more exposed to uh different culture and experiences in Malaysia I think the equal debate or the pushback must come from us the shows like this what Carmen and Lucas is doing breaking the bubble I think from both Community The malays Who feel discriminated at the job sector and the other job section employment and all this and from the normal list in terms of the public service if the 40 of tax officers are from the non-malaysia and non-muslim Community then will be a natural pushback for if you contribute x amount to Chinese schools you get X tax cut there'll be a natural pushback in
25:39 the department I mean I can see pdrm is breaking their ass I mean it's fasting is trying their best you know to promote to promote every single experience normally in the best position I mean if you notice that on the traveling service side there seems to be a struggle to fill the Gap we want to show a United and diverse Malaysia but we just need more of you guys all right actually I think all of us has made our decisions that we outside for first thing Malaysia at the moment we don't have equal rights for different races how about the question I tune a bit too should we have equal rights I think that's what uh Dr virus initially mentions like because you are different positions you different capability then maybe equal
26:27 rights is not the right answer equal right is not answer maybe for certain thing but for most of the thing probably we should reconsider or rethink about it like what we had mentioned uh I don't know whether this is sensitive to race about the Constitution's article 153 that it actually outlines something that or some sector that we actually agreed that Malay do have a special position but how about things that are not far within that article like what did he mention in you know the listed company shares the housing discounts and things like that I mean are we going for a future that we we can reach an agreement to you know to to to be more equal not in every aspect but
27:13 a bit more equal the the question is that should there be a special right well special right the name is Right equal rights so equal rights should be Universal it should be applicable to everyone equal rights and then we fight on other things well that is that happens to America that happened well equal right may not be upon foreigners let's say that is fine but now the problem is like this is in Malaysia rights is not equal right it's a tool to achieve equality of outcome it's a tool to remedy the problem occurred by equal rights like for example predominantly factually Malay Community are not financially capable that the Chinese community and it may we may escalate
27:59 into a a public disorder in the future and the public disorder destroy all the rights we want racial hatred no like like what happened in Indonesia and then then the trigger Force assimilation and sorts so rights being the tool to remedy with other races were compensated in other ways but leading to an A Wider context at this thing discrimination happens all the time in every corner of the world but it's just the matter of whether it's a racial discrimination or social discrimination well in the UK the rich people may look down at the beggar in Korea the superior may look now at the at the driver all this thing in India they even slap the lower caste
28:45 people of the lower caste though is banned already it's just that so happened that we in Malaysia coincidentally certain risks fit into certain social social ladder that actually is an extension of my first answer let's say there are more ratio of b40 comprises of early I'm stating a matter of fact it's not being racist over here right but there are more uh Malay in b14 more India and b40 compared to Chinese so even though we break through this discrimination among races even though we enjoy full equal rights this happens this will still happens because the need like is the human nature that people do look down on
29:31 another paper based on profession based on their social letter based on their income based on other factors that race so race is just one of the many things how many Among Us it actually looks down at the party who who cleans the suite and then told our kids if you don't study how you become like him kind of thing regardless of race you see and that is why we call occupational discrimination and that's what called Financial capability discrimination so happens Chinese are mostly employer and other racist hemologists mostly employee and Chinese become the racist one in terms of what I just mentioned so happened Malay is a majority it's a country and then they have policy supportively they become the racist one but even without race Factor this happens as well and how to make sure that this happens in the right way there is no right answer you mentioned about equal rights
30:16 but equal rights that leads to Injustice is that what we are looking for that's what Dr Pharaoh say that's what Chung Han raised a question but we we have different answers to what uh answer but for me public order and the general development of the country crime over trivial political interpretation of equal rights when you talk about equal rights we always talk about racial equal rights between different race can we just break break from this and we talk about says gender equality social class equality economy equality like if you want to help people who are poor can we help people who are poor from all Races there is a very good question yes the answer is yes we can there's this thing there's this thing government come up
31:03 with this policy cosatu Malaysia and when I start to Malaysia Malaysia to Malaysia it means no race we are helping the poor the satu Malaysia concept that is the exact answer so I love the Saturn Malaysia concert until this attached behind but satu Malaysia is actually a solution and Rockyard can accept it Malay accepts it Chinese except the concept of let's say so that is actually a solution to that based based on but politically where politics is is of essence then things got got terribly screw up we are saying that equal rights may be Injustice okay
31:49 do all agree that yes I agree made the keyword is made yes I agree for example let me set a context for equal right as in of equal uh equality in terms of opportunity when you put a male and a female equal rights okay you are going to compete among yourself I mean two of you to run 100 meter thing 100 meter track okay you start at the same point and you end at the same point that's equal right but do you get equal results you get a fair result if you put a male and a female of an ecosystem but physically they are unequal already so you need to do something to compensate what what does this put into the context of race like what kind of thing that may male and female that has
32:36 a scientifically proven physical difference what about race I think to lumped all equality of Rights together it's not it's not really comparable uh all these different rights for gender rights different sex is scientifically proven that men cannot release in terms of sports or labor or you know physically compared to a woman I mean woman and vice versa that's why we have best male Sportsman best women female Sportsmans in terms of rich and the poor the equally inequality has always been there so I think for in terms of policy policy wise if you look at Western countries there have been new different policies to help the poor that needs to ensure that the poor people also have access to
33:24 the same opportunities or roughly the same or as best as they could the same opportunities as the rich but race transcend over all this race doesn't say about your merits it it in itself doesn't say about your background itself doesn't say about how smart or how you know your level of intelligence race is is just your skin color that's all full stop if you limit uh the certain sector of things for a certain race then essentially you are eliminating the best chance or best opportunities that is available to all other races so I think that that is in the long term that could only harm our society and it it suppress the talented people from achieving what they can achieve you see Malaysia is
34:11 quite special because apparently we give we tried our heart I think it's a long battle journey to make everybody feel equal I feel that we won't talk about discrimination equal rights if the cake is bigger the reason why we are here so much contention is that the cake is seems to be in the last maybe decade or so because of our political turmoil Malaysia seems to be not reaching the heights that we think we all deserve some blaming on political structure some blame it on the social structure some blaming our from the education system we are so separated I mean we start finger pointing at everyone but without realizing that all of us have responsibility to ensure that the cake is much bigger I think what we have to
34:57 do as Society we must push and elect a government that prioritize in making the economy bigger at the moment we prioritize with the like leaders that we think we like or represent our race or represent the point of view that we like we forgot to go back to days when it's all about who's performing and who's not who's have got a better threat or not now we we simply rely on some people who have better formula we simply look at the social media Avenue of campaigning and we decided which leader we like which leader we don't like which one is racist which one is not racist but we never actually consider their threat record but the fight towards equal rights is of course I feel is that we have to vote and elect
35:44 for the Performing government rather than the government or the people that we like [Applause] thank you so much thank you yeah so everyone what do you think about this topic and please behave yourself okay mind your words please like and share and subscribe our Channel if you like this program so this is your thoughts like what you have to make the emotions and lesson from better Malaysia all right thank you so much the diversity of races is a treasure in our country and we should cherish it
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