Gary Wayne Secret Nephilim Societies

0:01 [Music] hello and welcome to the sharpening i am your host josh peck tonight we have a very special guest to talk about uh his book the genesis 6 conspiracy how secret societies and the descendants of giants plan to enslave humankind uh gary wayne is a christian contrarian who has maintained a lifelong love affair with biblical prophecy history

0:48 and mythology his uh extensive study has encompassed the holy bible and gnostic scriptures the quran the bhagavad-gita gilgamesh and other ancient epics uh language and etymology and secret society publications uh so lots of interesting stuff um well i want this this is a this is an interview i've been looking forward to a long time i want to get right into it so without further ado i would like to welcome gary wayne to the show gary how you doing very good thanks and so happy to be here and thank you for inviting me to your show looking forward to a very uh hopefully interesting conversation that your viewers are going to uh talk about for a while absolutely i i have no doubt of that i've been looking forward to this uh this a lot too and um i want to for for

1:36 the audience i want to hold up your book thank you again for for sending this it's an excellent book let me uh make sure i can get this in the shot here genesis 6 conspiracy um excellent book it's it's it's thick there's a lot of good information here but it's broken up in a way uh the chapter there's almost 100 chapters but they're they're shorter so it's easy to it's easy to digest those are the kinds of books i like to read because uh you know a lot of times having kids and doing everything i do i only have a few minutes at a time to read so it's nice to be able to sit down for 10 minutes and be able to read a chapter or two um but uh yeah i really really love the book um i'm not through the whole thing yet but everything that i've read is is just excellent work well thank you i'm glad you're enjoying it

2:22 i think you'll find that this book just doesn't stop coming at you it is loaded with information in every chapter right through to the end chapter so and anything that you're reading in the beginning of the book it's going to come up in the last part of the book as well good deal and uh and it's on a topic that you know since i got into this the the nephilim the genesis genesis 6 giants that was what really brought me into this you know everything that i do and it's easy for us i think sometimes to think uh the people who are in this thing to to think that we've already heard everything there is to know about the nephilim and all that but uh then comes along an author like you to prove all that wrong and uh that that's what i love uh there's still a lot of exciting things to learn about uh genesis 6 and

3:10 uh at least 800 pages uh full of stuff so that's great um before we uh before we get into that though uh uh for those who might not be familiar with you or your work could you give us a rundown of your uh testimony how you came to know jesus and how that led to what you do today well it's kind of interesting and i know josh you're a prophecy buff and so are uh probably so many of your listeners and uh i have an identical twin brother and he showed me a book in the early 80s and even though i was raised christian i kind of got brainwashed in high school and and beyond that and kind of lost my way and he came along and i think most of your listeners might remember this book but he said you need to read this book and it was the late great planet earth

3:57 by hal lindsey and i still have a copy of that and i'm still a fan of hal lindsey and i read the book and it just just scared the crap out of me and so from that point on i said well i want to find out whether or not this is legitimate i want to know whether it's accurate they're not making it up and whether or not i can find this information in the bible and so i started to read the bible and i started to read anything i could get my hands on and that just led me back to jesus and to christianity and i have been fanatic about not only prophecy but my other passions as well and uh doing my best on my quest to be the you know the best person i can be but i have to admit i'm a i'm a sinner like most

4:43 people and i do stumble but uh that's how i came back to jesus was and it's amazing and i thought you know wouldn't that be nice if somebody could actually write a book that might influence people and that was one of the things that i wanted to do with this book was to write a book that might influence people and talk about things that they may not be aware of and aspects about the bible they might have overlooked and as i went through on the research on this i started coming across so much material that i didn't know or didn't believe was in the genre and so to be able to bring so much new information to the genre and prophecy and how it all ties together and connect dots that i don't believe

5:30 other writers have connected before so it was all that sort of coming together at the same time and that's really really cool yeah so i mean that was in 1980 or 81 so you can you can imagine how long i've been on the path of researching prophecy and things like that matching it up with history and mythology which are my other passions that's awesome 81 three years before i was born but that that's great i mean that that's so cool because that's why i love having guests like you on because then i i get to learn something and you know um that's to me that's the best part of life in general is just uh getting to learn and getting to serve and i i love that so it's great to have a guest like

6:15 you on that that shares that same passion um something else that i want to i i want to address up front because i know you unfortunately you've gotten a little bit of flack for this and i don't think it's warranted or deserved but um i i think that it's similar to i i recently well not too recently but i wrote a book cherubim chariots where i got into other ancient texts um especially like ancient hindu you know texts and stuff like that um purely for you know it's history people have eyewitness accounts of things but not for gospel but i know unfortunately some people have thought that uh and i don't think i think the people that say this i haven't even read your book because it's clear that's not what you were going for but uh since you got

7:01 into you know you'd study some of those texts that that must mean that you're promoting it and i i know i know you know as a gospel truth or something and i i i know that's not true but i want to give you the opportunity to you know just say a brief couple sentences about that just so people who aren't familiar with your book yet don't get put off right in the beginning of the show just because we bring up you know gnostic text or ancient uh indian text or something like that yeah and the the avenues that i researched i mean it really gets into the areas that i think a lot of people might find on very thin ice and i have to tell you it was concerning and how would i handle it and everything like that but what i wanted to do was as i

7:47 continued on the research i seemed to see see these same stories that were popping up over and over and over and over and over and they were consistent with the bible from a macro level and a directional level uh but from a different perspective so either from polytheism or from secret societies it matters not where it came from they were telling a very very similar story but from their perspective and so i wanted to bring that information out so that people could see that this is a very very common story right around the world and i also wanted to make sure that i could let those societies or religions or scriptures speak for themselves and not sort of try

8:33 and twist those words or anything so that it would it could be considered accurate because everything that i put in the book i believe is also weighed measured and balanced against the accuracy of what the bible says and so there's really nothing in there that is contradicting what the bible is saying and you you may find it challenging you may thought find it that i've never thought of that you may even find it disturbing but everything that i have in the book is also backed up by the bible and so everything is measured against the bible so if anybody has any fears of that please don't and if anybody has any fears that i lost my soul in reading some of those items many of them were interesting lots were not

9:19 but no i i remain a christian 100 percent and i even i'm so much of a contrarian i'll go out of the way and say that if somebody has read the quran and is muslim i don't understand why they didn't become christian after reading the quran it's mind-boggling it's absolutely mind-boggling and and that's the message of the of the koran so again i'm not going to support islam here in any fashion or the fastest or the religion organizations but what i will say is is that um all that you know reading uh those other religions that just made me more of a christian more sound in my beliefs uh there and there is nothing that i'm transposing from those beliefs into my

10:04 beliefs i just use them for context and to demonstrate that there's a very common narrative out in the world that i think people need to learn about yeah and i totally agree and i take that same stance when i look into other ancient texts as well um in in my books that i handled it more you know kind of like uh you know i i think that people had real experiences with real things and they wrote them down and um i mean especially in the uh the vedic texts um there's a there's a lot of that and i i in my book i focused on vimanas and stuff like that but um you know we can accept that people had experience with things and beings we don't have to say that they're god or that they're you know that they replace god or you know we don't have to go that far with it at

10:50 all but uh just accepting that these may not all be you know fairy tales in the sense that somebody just sat down and made it all up you know i think i think people actually had real experiences with things and they just probably didn't interpret it right uh but you know that and and we can look at that and like you said we compare it against the bible to get the correct interpretation so uh but yeah i i love your research style and uh the way that you approach this book um and uh i i i but yeah i wanted to get that out of the way just in case anybody read uh anything on you know amazon or if they read what the book was about and you know i i didn't want anybody to be scared off when they read like islamic texts or you know anything like that

11:35 so i'm glad that we got uh we got that um now the book is called uh the genesis 6 conspiracy and uh at about 800 pages it is it's quite a book it's it's fantastic can you give us a a brief summary of the book like what what led you to write this well a brief summary of the book is the genesis 6 conspiracy is a 6 000 year investigation a connected dots investigation into how secret societies uh and the nephilim and the mystical religions that rose around the nephilim and the secret societies and the ancient knowledge partnered to bring about the first apocalypse known as the flood how those

12:21 three organizations and descendants of them crossed the flood how they affected things like babel and sodom and gomorrah and the conquest and how they imprinted our history all the way to the present time what they're doing today and how they plan on bringing about the end time inclusive of the universal religion world government and the antichrist awesome yeah and that's all stuff that i know is right up my alley and uh and most if not all the the audience of this show uh you know what's really cool about this book too is it brings up a lot of uh a lot of really unique elements um and that is kind of rare on the topic of the nephilim because so much has been written about it you do a really good

13:07 job uh can you go through some of the the more unique elements and what what the what the audience can expect to to find that's unique about your book as compared to some of the others that might be out there well first of all i think that uh people will be very very surprised um maybe not all but most will be surprised at whether or not you're talking about freemasonry accounts from before the flood which they have an extensive record of uh whether or not you're looking at greek mythology or the vedas and the various holy scriptures out of india or the pulpal zoo uh from the kisha maya and the aztecs and the central americans it doesn't matter where you go around they all tell the same story what happened before the flood a different perspective

13:53 from a polytheist perspective but they sell this tell the same story about creation and they tell the same story about how humankind went wrong how they participated in helping to produce the the giants whether they're not always called nephilim they're called titans and anunnaki and many many other names around the world and how these giants helped corrupt the ancient world and caused the flood and so that i think that's one of the first unique testimonies that a lot of it it brings together for a lot of people some of the other unique things is is that this is a conspiracy that has been going on since the

14:38 before the flood and is the same conspiracy in the same organizations that have worked throughout history and are working today and they all tell about this complete conspiracy all the way through the 6000 years and none of this is um uh i think documented or connected and what i particularly do is i bring in how and where mysticism arose how across the flood as well what its relationship with is with the giants and when we get into the giants and in particular the the giants it's the descendants of the giants it's the bloodlines of the giants and how they have survived at least from their perspective how they've survived and the

15:24 bloodlines that produce the royal houses that again have kept their genealogies throughout all of uh history and prehistory uh producing all of the major royal families around the world and how they still control the world today and so if that is of interest people and how those bloodlines uh are related to the modern versions of mysticism whether we're talking about gnosticism or new age or theosophy or eastern religions or about modern secret societies like the illuminati or the rosicrucians or the bilderbergers or you know the all of these different uh groups that they spawn i think your readers will find this a very interesting read

16:10 yeah absolutely one of the most uh you know in my discovery of the nephilim and study into genesis 6 when i really first started getting getting started is uh how much importance how much important information is really in those genealogies and you know when we go to sunday school in church we usually just skip over those i've never heard a sermon uh when you know when i was a i grew up baptist so when i was going to the baptist church i never heard a sermon on like the genealogies of uh you know genesis or anything but there's a lot of really important information there um and something that i want to ask too you uh you talked about a connection between mysticism secret societies and uh the nephilim what what what is the connection what what what do those three have in common well let's talk about

16:57 that so uh everybody knows in the bible we begin with adam and eve and what secret societies and mysticisms and these other religions believed is is that they received uh information from heaven whether that was legitimate information or illegitimate but they believe it was legitimate information from from god in in while they were in eden but after the banishment uh two branches formed one being the branch of cain and one being the branch of seth and that cain took this message and through his first son enoch they corrupted these sciences and they added to it uh other information from the dark

17:42 angels and created religions around it to secret this information that seemingly they developed to levels of unbelievable proportions and through such proportions that they felt it had to be kept secret for two reasons one it might destroy the world two they didn't feel that the mundane average human being was worthy enough to to have that information and so they created initiated societies and have done so ever since yeah yeah definitely oh yeah i i i wanna as soon as i can stop stuttering i wanna back back a little bit you said uh you said something about uh sacred sciences um and that's the point

18:29 that i found really intriguing in the book what what are the seven uh sacred sciences and uh can you can you go into that yeah basically everybody's going to be fairly familiar with those those sciences and it's the geometry which is the fifth science uh commonly known as masonry within within the craft um it's astronomy uh it's music uh it's science in general it's the arts uh it's basic human uh human knowledge that's broken down into seven uh and arithmetic obviously uh into seven different groups but it's what was it's what they were able to do with this knowledge that is the scary part and they actually believed that they built

19:15 the pyramids and other monuments like that around the world before the flood and that they took this society to a level probably similar to in technology to what we have today and maybe developed in different areas and a little bit differently right now and so they believe that it is the secrets to the universe um and so when you hear about it today at the several seven liberal arts um and you'll hear that through greek mythology as well it's the same sciences but it's what they did with them that that's really important yeah absolutely um well uh what the nephilim and flood narratives of genesis 6 how are those connected to uh

20:01 other giant uh mythologies of giants throughout uh the world and uh poly polytheistic religions around the world um what why are those testimonies so important to this type of research well it shows that uh this this is just not a one-off story in the bible and it was so important that it was recorded and part of the memories of all cultures in the world so something that is it's like the great one world myth it's it's our common legacy and heritage and it's like the ancients are whispering to us that we need to go back and learn about prehistory what happened what caused the first apocalypse because as we all know or most people of

20:46 prophecy know that the end time will be like the days of noah and so i think when our messiah says learn about the days of noah we ought to take that with the veracity and importance that his words speak to and learn how that's going to be important to bring about the second apocalypse this time by fire and so if nephilim and secret societies and mysticism was a big part of the first apocalypse they're likely going to be part of this apocalypse yes absolutely i couldn't agree more with that and i in a lot of my studies i i get into like quantum physics and

21:32 stuff that's that's i'm really interested in that but there's a lot of uh uh parallels in that theology um not that the science itself is a theology but it's almost become that because uh the scientists that teach this stuff they don't just stick with the observation you know they get into their own interpretation but they treat or they teach their interpretation as if it's just universal truth um so like you know documentaries like what the bleep will do or what the bleep do we know they'll have you know some science in there but then they'll say well this proves that uh god can't be a personal god he's like a universal force like in star wars or something right and they'll try to say that you know the science says that so i mean we're almost getting into this

22:18 uh you know new mysticism or new well really new age um nowadays you know in science and it's it's progressing more and more like that and i that is something i want to touch on uh as well but before that let's let's talk a little bit just quickly about one of the things that they uh one of their sciences that they developed afterwards to help guide and control so reason over faith is they like to refer to it as reason over knowledge and that is the art of philosophy which they believe and it's actually part of their religion they've just called it a science and so that science that the science of philosophy or the religion of philosophy dictates how all of science ought to be interpreted

23:05 yeah and we see that a lot nowadays it's um it's really rare probably near impossible to find a physicist that for one makes any sense because it's almost like they speak a different language but that but that can uh that can actually separate the philosophy from the actual uh findings i mean a really big example of that was when the higgs boson was um was discovered it was called the god particle and the particle itself i mean it's it's an interesting particle but it's not it has nothing to the only thing that it has to do with god is what every particle has to do with god and that he created it it's not proof of god it's not proof against god it's not you know it's not anything in those regards in a philosophical you

23:51 know way of thinking that particle is not anything special to the other particles now scientifically speaking it's it's phenomenal you know it's an important discovery but it got you know it got that label god particle so when that came out you know there were a lot of christians thinking it was proof of god they were christians thinking scientists were making fun of us you know they didn't really know what to do with it um unfortunately that's what happens when philosophy gets mixed in with science and and people should not find this surprising because if you look at the rise of modern education and modern science it goes back really to the birth of the royal college in england and the royal college also known as the invisible the royal society i'm sorry is also

24:36 known as the invisible college and this society this organization all of the education institutions still report to today as the parent organization it was formed by the secret societies it was formed by rosicrucians and freemasonry to pay tribute to the great architect of the universe which is another name they use for lucifer and so if you want and i'll cover that off in my book as as people get deeper into the book so we should not find this surprising we should not find it surprising that science is inundated with uh symbols let's say the medical association with the with the almost hermes motif with the snake around the what they would

25:22 call the the tree of eden in their belief system or that there are initiations or things that they swear to whether you're in engineering or or whatever this is all part of the same belief system so people being educated there are being brainwashed with a philosophy which is actually a religion yeah absolutely i couldn't agree more and as much as i love science it is becoming and really i think always has been to a certain extent a religion and you know it's kind of uh it's it it it's unnerving the directions that it's taking nowadays in the way that they justify some of the things that they're doing especially in um uh transgenics and you know the trans humanist movement and things like that they're doing some of the most ungodly

26:07 things based on their own uh their own man-made philosophies it has no real bearing on anything outside of themselves uh see i definitely yeah and and all of that is just another form of the nephilim doctrine whether or not it's a new man by bioengineering or new man by genetics or dna manipulation or fallen angels copulating with with women to create hybrids or dna manipulation by aliens or aliens creating hybrids it is the same philosophy and it is the same philosophy that they were trying to do in germany with the new man and the super race because it's the same belief system and again i'll spend a complete chapter on the third reich and lay that all out for people so they understand it's the same

26:54 story in the same belief system and the same end goal the third reich was about bringing on a thousand-year reign just as a copy of the millennial reign in the bible and the new age that they're trying to bring about is another millennial reign reign as well it's just they believe that they're going to win the battle and they're going to have their belief system as opposed to the christian belief system or the jewish police the belief system or monotheism so again again it's really important to learn from history and i think that's the message of the messiah yes i i couldn't agree more and especially with you know what happened in uh in in genesis all this brought the flood and so if we were to learn from

27:40 history we you know would we should see that something like that you know this time by fire uh and that that brings up an interesting question too i i've i i think i've anytime we we do like a nephilim show on the sharpening i i always ask this because i'm always interested to know what people think because it's a big mystery i think i've heard about three pretty good theories about it but uh i i'm curious what you think um uh how how do you believe that the giants or the nephilim survived the flood because we see that they that they make a reappearance uh you know the three main views that i've heard is um you know that somehow the the genes survived on the flood maybe through one of noah's son's wives uh the other one is that the fallen angels came

28:25 down and did it again or multiple incursions and then the other one is uh that um there there may have been some sort of genetic tampering or you know after the flood because because the world would have been littered with you know bodies of dead giants that you know we would assume so maybe they manipulated the genes and cloned them or something what what what do you think any any of those do you think are possible or do you have a different idea what's your opinion well i'm going to cover that in the book uh in in in significant detail my gut feeling is is that giants did survive the flood and i'm going to go into that into the book and explain that i do leave open the possibility that there was a second impassioned violation against the laws of creation and so they

29:12 were created afterwards that's certainly possible because if you read genesis 6 you could interpret it both ways hey they either survived the flood or they were recreated afterwards and so that to me is is uh pretty speculative as to how that happened and so i wanted to be able to try and answer that question and so for talking about um in a passion second violation sodom and gomorrah comes to the surface as uh one of the most obvious answers and i'll bring in support from the gnostic religions to suggest that there was a second impassioned uh violation uh at sodom and gomorrah which was one of the reasons why sodom and gomorrah was destroyed and also bring how nephilim's were nothing more related to the sodom

29:57 and gomorrah narrative that people may not be aware of but i'll also talk about from also from not only the biblical perspective but other mythologies and religions how giants survived the flood and most people believe that nobody survived the flood except that let's just start with august as an example and if you look at deuteronomy 3 or joshua 12 he was known as the last of the raphaechs well that's not possible or the bible is in contradiction and i don't believe the bible is in contradiction and so jewish mythology believes uh og did survive the flood and have a lot of legends uh lewis ginsburg writes uh

30:45 great uh legends from the from the hebrews and and ag is is one of those prominent figures in there so that's certainly one possibility and why wasn't he uh the last of the raphites well even when we get into goliath and i'll connect goliath to being raphael and being a nephilim is is he was considered a raphael at that time and because ogg wasn't killed at that time there's a lot of speculation that he was actually a descendant or an ancestor of goliath so the wording is very very odd and i think that really points to um one suggestion that giant survived the flood as unger's bible dictionary suggests that um og was also a survivor of the flood and

31:32 let's remember that dog had a brother named sihan and so that means he survived the flood because he was a brother if that's the case then we get into all of these other anomalies in the old testament of unaccounted for peoples uh the raphaipes are the anakites the zamzanites the avites all of these different people that are not in the table of nations so why are they not in the table of nations we're led to believe by standard christian dogma that everybody who survived the flood descent then uh begat from either noah or his three sons well these names are nowhere to be found and then there's other people's uh not only than the giants but there's the hittites that are

32:17 thought to be giants as well and the hivites and the horrocks where did the horrids come from they are in the table of nations with the descendants of esau but those descendants of seer they come out of nowhere who is seer he is just inserted how is that possible i know it makes sense and i'll cover off the connections to seer and esau as i go through the book and particularly at the end of the book but they just come out of nowhere and then there's peoples like the gurgites and the gurgazites and the kennezites and the kenites all of these people come out of nowhere and the of course the infamous amalekites and i'll spend a lot of time on the

33:03 amalekites as well tracing them back to being people across the flood so i think it's it's quite possibly both yeah it makes a lot of sense it very well could be um yeah and i and i agree with you there's no uh you know i don't believe there's any contradictions in the bible either so whatever the answer is it should you know flow through through the whole thing so that that's why that's why i'm always interested about that to get people's take on it because it it is a big mystery but yeah i mean it very well could be both it makes a lot of sense well um i think i think you just sort of interrupt i i i don't think when i say that the bible doesn't contradict herself what i'm also saying though in tandem with that is is that the bible adds more information as you go

33:50 and yeah so you have to be careful that just because it looks a little differently if you look in the flood narrative for example and everybody thinks that all the animals two of each kind were taken well all of a sudden then you read there's seven of the clean animals taken well that's not a contradiction that's just additional information that's telling more about the story and clearly the bible can't be in contradiction if it says the nephilim were both before and after the flood yes absolutely um so how what what what kind of impact did the the giants have on the post-flood world well we learned very quickly in genesis that an incident at babel happened

34:36 and in that incident there's a a city being built and there's a tower being built and we're also told something very very odd and that odd statement is is that if working as one people with one language there's nothing that they can't do to paraphrase it what is all this referring to this is referring to the partnership between nimrod and hermes in the seven sacred sciences and the mysticism and the rise shortly after the flood and their partnership with nephilim and so this is a very very important story because again it has so many allegories and inferences that are going to come about

35:22 in the end times so it to me it's very important to learn about pre-history and so what happened right after the flood is as you have nimrod who some people think was a giant um i'm going to make the case in the book that he's not because nimrod is in the table of nations in first chronicles in genesis but his descendants are not so now that's suggesting to me that he probably uh married into the nephilim bloodline and therefore his descendants were not listed thereafter that's my rationale for that but they partnered together to re-establish all the awful things that took place in prehistory and then they also imprinted on sodom

36:08 and gomorrah as we talked about but more importantly is is after babel nephilim who were the kings and the potentiates of the old world usurped the kingships in the new world and so in chaldea in egypt uh in uh in seer with the amalekites the matani dynasty the hittites and all of the kingships around the world they usurped and they continued to survive with these dynasties and they have impacted all of our history while partnering with mysticism and these sciences and they continue to influence our world today in these bloodlines from nephilim

36:54 survive today and i'll make a case as we go through the book that i'll give good guidance to that these bloodlines will be the bloodlines of the antichrist and narrow that down to the families that will likely present the antichrist yeah that's something that i've i've thought for a while too that the nephilim bloodlines are um they have a connection they're definitely uh a really interesting thing that that you know i love that you got into this in the book um how are dragons berries and snakes uh connected to the descendants of the giants yeah that's a very good question and uh so in so many ways and i'll try

37:41 and try and explain some of it so first thing i want just underline and everybody subconsciously knows it that there are serpent images cobra images viper images snake images in every society and there's also the dragon and people and in in we're taught today that there's no evidence for the dragon but it's very odd that you have this common sort of world myth that's everywhere every continent every culture knows about dragons so let's just talk a little bit about that so i'll make a case in the book that the uh the angels the dark angels who went to mount hermon and mated with human females were seraphim angels and

38:29 they were part of a group that a lot of your people will be aware of known as the watchers and in greek they were known as the gregori well seraphim angels uh not only some some references in in the bible which only seraph is in the bible in in isaiah refers to snakes and but seraphim angels were thought to look like snakes like vipers they had a face of a viper and i'll bring some uh very uh parallel and biblical references in the book to substantiate that and their offspring the nephilim looked just like them so when you see in other cultures all of these images of gods that look like snakes and giants that look like snakes and all of this imagery

39:15 they're just they were just producing art and keeping a record of their gods and and the nephilim and so if you look at now the seraphim angel that has the face of a viper and you put wings on that what do you have have a dragon and if people look at the eden incident we look at the serpent losing its hands and its feet in its voice and had has had to grow crawl on the ground thereafter well what's important to notice on that is is that there's a lot of belief out there that there was more than just serpents that had hands and legs like like a crocodile would have

40:01 her feet let's say four feet but in in prehistory there's there's mythology that this animal actually walked on two feet and was bigger than a human being and was fairly intelligent and i'll cover that off in in the book as well but that some of these forms of serpents before the eden incident also had wings which again would be an animal form of the dragon so i think when we look at the dragon imagery we understand that the nephilim looked just like them in the beginning and that they usurped the kingships and the religions in both prehistory and after the flood it makes sense that there's this dragon

40:47 and serpent imagery everywhere and if we look at the influence that the societies and mysticism have had throughout the millennia again it's not surprising to me that we see this imagery in fairy tales and in literature in an oliver entertainment because they're the ones keeping this genealogy and information alive in different forms other than the genealogies and people don't understand that this is not done just to entertain people this is done to brainwash people in preparation for the end game so that they'll find it acceptable and so when we look at all of these different aspects don't you shouldn't be surprised that dracula

41:33 is telling the same story drinking blood which was a typical nephilim uh portrait to keep them immortal which the nephilim originally were and want to be immortal that the christian church or the catholic church is their mortal enemy all of these allegories are encoded in and if you walk through any of this type of literature fairy tale or otherwise what seemingly is innocent what is seemingly outside the box they're going to have the same religion and allegories and genealogies and secrecies in there so if you get into king arthur if you get into robin hood you're talking about the same thing over and over and over again yes absolutely and um yeah one thing i wanted to ask too do you think that there's a do you think these things are still

42:19 presenting themselves to people because there's a lot of uh uh you know supposed alien uh encounters that uh they'll abductees or experiencers or contactees whatever uh whatever you want to call it they they will claim that they have seen reptilian beings do you do you think there's uh do you think there's a connection there well there's definitely a connection there whether or not these are shape-shifting um beings or not that'll just take a human form uh i guess that's possible that would have to be uh fallen angels in in my opinion who in a lot of uh beliefs have the uh shape-shifting capability and i guess if there's there's really only one biblical reference where i to let's say two where that could be one would be as if

43:06 lucifer satan actually morphed into a snake to go into eden and the second one would be uh at the destruction of sodom and gomorrah where the angels that were sent the three of them looked like human beings and abram did not realize they were not human beings so there's a belief that in the physical world they can change um their form and they can also change sex which means that they could have produced uh let's say a more angelic type of nephilim that uh would be the lower gods in in the polytheist pantheon because all of the pantheons are the same uh all comes from the same belief system and the same dark angels so that can answer sort of that aspect of it

43:53 um what was the question again i got it it was about oh no that's i i say a lot in the show if this wasn't called the sharpening it would be called the tangent because the show has me as a host and that's what i do so that's totally i i think he answered it though it's about the rep the reptilian race oh okay yeah so there's another aspect i wanted to go down on thanks for getting putting me back on track um so let's bring in the fairy equation yeah and so i'll talk about fairies in the book significantly and again it's it's it's one of those things that comes up in all sorts of literature and entertainment and again for everybody

44:39 understand that that's there for a reason and so in the fairing mythology there are four different kinds of fairies and uh so if you're into two other denan and celtic mythology some of this is going to be fairly familiar with you so there are the opalescent fairies that came to this planet from somewhere else and rebelled against uh god and so they are translucent you can sort of see through them and they're a shining beaning and then they produced another fairy through mating with human females and they became the earthly fairies who were shining beings as well and for people who don't know the original nephilim their eyes shone they actually glowed and it was part of what made them scary and you'll see that

45:25 that's why you see that in science fiction movies let's say like stargate series that's why their eyes will glow okay that's that same idea being kept alive again um and so below that there are two sets of little people and people will know the little people like the leprechauns or the knolls and there's several different subsets and then and in the one set there's three sets of little people and inside one of those little people is a sec called the gray neighbors now oh wow now these grain hamburgers have the same physical description as the gray aliens these little fairies also had flying machines

46:11 and they kidnapped people and they did they were looking to reproduce with them to regenerate their gene pool and they did other scientific things and then they would return the people and the people it would say in in very low after a fortnight so let's say about 40 days as i recall a fortnight and they would not have a memory of this so i provide a description of a fairy abduction in the book and i think people find it startling as to how close it is to the aliens so i think there's a connection in this all the way through i know a lot of people believe that aliens are demons um or fallen angels with that shape-shifting capability

46:57 that's certainly possibility i'm thinking that these little beings have been around since prehistory and they also somehow survived the flood because again in fairy mythology you have these portals called knolls and mounds and fairy mounds and in the grail lord the ladies of the lake protect the entrance to the portals to the other world and in the alien mythology many believe that ufos come through these portals so there's a direct connection in here all the way through uh i think um demons are here uh they're the bodiless giants were there of the immortal uh first generation that weren't permitted

47:42 into heaven and didn't go to sleep and they continue to possess people and cause mayhem but i i also believe that these little people could possibly be beings that survived if you look at tolkien's lord of the rings and you see all of these little fairies and elves and things that's quite a big part of the different sort of races that are in that story and at the end of tolkien's uh trilogy is is these people are seen going away on a boat because it's the time of humankind and that again is telling me that they're telling us messages of pre-history that they want to keep alive that the people that they've enlightened or illuminated or educated or whatever know exactly what they're

48:29 talking about that somehow these beings also survived so that's my take on it wow that that's really interesting that uh yeah you just kind of blew me away there that's uh i i've never i've actually never heard that before the connection with the uh fairies and gnomes and things yeah that that's that's really interesting that's something i've always been interested in was uh some of these cryptozoology i can't even say that cryptozoology some of the some of the things that eschatological that's another one i have a heart attack i won't even try that one always been really interested in that and uh we even the last episode we did on a bigfoot possibly being an extra dimensional you know angelic or fallen

49:17 angel being uh we we got into some of that so uh but yeah that that's that's an area of the book that i i love that you got into i've always been interested in that and it really does make a lot of sense um uh um not only allegory uh but the fairy bloodline that i'm going to connect through the in the book in particular as we get into the last parts of the book and i'll distinguish between the dragon blood line and the fairy bloodline and i'll show how those branches fanned out and how they've rejoined and one is the uh male uh patriarch bloodline which is the dragon bloodline and

50:04 the fairy bloodline is the matriarch or the female bloodline of inheritance and i'll bring those together yeah i definitely want to hear more about that because uh you you talk about the the in the book the post deluvian uh dynasties um how did these how were the early dominant uh dynasties how how they uh how they affect our history to uh where we find ourselves today well if you look at the uh the main um kingship dynasties that most people are aware of so everybody's aware of the egyptian dynasty and so that's one major effect obviously the the descendants of nimrod and after babel where he went into uh

50:53 mesopotamia into uh in basically the father of the assyrians father of the of the persians and so those dynasties grew up and then within the middle east you have the hittite dynasty which was you know disappeared uh say somewhere between 1200 1400 bce depending on who you're on who you're talking to and certainly the philistines give them a good whooping as they expropriated their land in the middle east but the matani dynasty was also a very familiar one and these dynasties would intermarry to keep their bloodlines pure and if they wanted to start a new dynasty they had to make sure that they started it with a uh an ennobled bloodline of a female and so

51:40 if they wanted to export a new dynasty somewhere it would start with the matriarchy even though everybody thinks of the patriarchy as the dominant one there's you have to keep in mind that their belief system is both male and female uh and it's all throughout their religions when you look at it whether it's isis and osiris it's male and female it's dualistic all the way through in every aspect and so that has a very very important so these dynasties survived right through uh uh to the time of uh you know uh the greek empire and even the greeks make uh and i'll cover this off in the book as well about alexandra being linked back to uh giants and then the greeks it may be in mythology and he may have been just a

52:25 dictator that took over but again this whole thing dominated all of the major empires and as these original dynasties kind of disappeared all track through where they went to and so if you look at the egyptian dynasty the last one that is of noteworthiness is is the armata dynasty and that's king tut and that's akhenaten and that's skoda and that's nefertiti and a or i i think as other people will pronounce it so why was that so important is because that dynasty just appeared and where did they go and i'll cover that off in the end of the book but they didn't die out or at least their belief system says

53:12 that they didn't die out so where did they go these bloodlines survived to repopulate the dynasties in europe now this doesn't necessarily cover off the the red dragon dynasties of china uh although you can make a case that they migrated out of the middle east and in that direction but there's a separate bloodline in there i didn't follow that one because the book is long enough as it is i kept it more for for the western side of civilization but i understand there's a very strong red dragon dynasty as they call it in in asia and so these dynasties survive to make all of the most of the kingships that we're aware of through modern history

53:58 and most of the power um being transferred back and forth would be either a vatican-dominated uh kingship or from these dragon kingships so when you look at history look at it from a view of there's two different sides with warfare going on all of the time and uh these dynasties succeeded in for the most part keeping their royal bloodlines uh on the throne all of the time and so if you do let's say get a usurping of the plantagenet that was in england and that was by henry viii and you wonder why he's so maligned well he may have been a bad person but that's not the real motive it's because he would be coming from an

54:44 as an outsider whether it's vatican sponsored or not and so if you look at let's say shakespeare who wrote a lot about genealogies and kingships he is documenting um these bloodlines as well even at that time and he is not nice on the tudors i mean he take he takes them takes them down in his writings and he whether it's richard iii or whoever else or king lear that he's talking about or hamlet he's holding those bloodlines in a completely different sort of respect level and so these bloodlines may not have kingships dominating the world today but these families control what goes on in the

55:31 world today and so we may not recognize them as uh as kings but some of them we will and understand that you need to follow the king of jerusalem title this is the title of the antichrist and it's part of their bloodline legacy and they'll declare themselves the the antichrist will declare himself as the king of jerusalem and also putting in the benjamite lines of that inheritance that joshua had originally given back during the exodus and i'll cover that off in the book as well wow yeah absolutely how how does um how what what is the relationship between the the descendants of giants and uh the

56:17 antichrist how do these bloodlines play into that well because these bloodlines have been intermixed and ennobled and tracked all the way through they're going to use these genealogies a to establish the pedigree of the antichrist and that he goes way back and back to these fallen giants you have to remember he's the antichrist so he's going to have a completely different pedigree than what jesus has but they will also and again if you go into literature you're going to learn about this as well in terms of modern literature when we talk about let's say the da vinci code they're going to find a way to mix in i don't believe rightly i don't think they can actually

57:03 prove it these will be falsified genealogies that jesus survived had children and has intermarried into these bloodlines and so they've been keeping these bloodlines purified they keep three possible antichrist figures indoctrinated and ready to go all of the time and when the time is right they will select one of these and he will step forward wow yeah that's really really interesting um and and i i love that you get into that topic in the book because i i i love bible prophecy and obviously the antichrist is a big big piece of that um something that we do on the show we have viewer questions and uh we are at that time uh for the audience uh

57:51 if you want the chance to send in questions to guests you can go to facebook and uh ask to join the sharpening facebook group and i'll happy to accept you as long as you don't have a fake account because we got enough of those as it is but uh uh before any show i'll i'll pin a post at the top that says who the guest is gonna be what the show is gonna be about and give you the audience the opportunity to uh to ask questions uh so again you can go to the sharpening facebook group to do that um we do have well actually we have two questions um the the first one i i missed it was from earlier but i'm glad that i i caught it um timothy asks uh you label yourself as a christian contrarian what does the term

58:38 christian contrarian mean well it means that i don't come by my views as a standard christian dogma that's taught in the churches i know there are so many different dogmas and things being taught out there so i let the bible speak for itself and if i don't understand something in the bible i'm going to research it until i think i have that understanding and back it up so it's a very contrarian view that i prefer to read the scripture and understand it for what it says and i know there's more learned people out there than probably me for sure but i'm not going to listen to what somebody tells me i will but i'm going to check it out and if it doesn't totally add up then

59:24 i'm probably going to dismiss that that that perspective amen i'm right there with you i'm i'm the same way you know i grew up in a baptist church and it was you know it was nice it was loving and everything but there were a lot of a lot of questions i had that just didn't have answers or even really any kind of solid answers to it it left me curious and eventually and this isn't the church's fault this is my own fault um eventually it led me down the path of new age you know i got into new age theology trying to find answers to some of the uh some of the stranger questions that you know that i had that they they didn't want to touch in the church um and uh but through that coming out of that and and then really like really dedicating my life to jesus and and doing what i'm

1:00:11 doing now that uh that did lead me to instead of just accepting what tradition you know what church tradition tells me i wanted to see what the bible said because there are a lot of differences in what church tradition will say as opposed you know compared with uh with the bible so i i am right there with you and i appreciate that uh i appreciate that stance and that tactic it's the same one that i take in in uh in all my research as well um michael asks do you believe they are building an army of nephilim giants and monsters to do battle with the lord at armageddon now in the deep underground military bases well nobody really knows what they're doing down there but i believe the question was is what do i believe what i do believe is is they're doing a number

1:00:57 of nefarious things i do believe they are working on dna modifications and biotechnology and things like that i'm not convinced that they've got giants ready to go but i do believe they are trying to create a new man and i do believe they are preparing to make a stand that's not that far away but i don't think there's giants down there at this point in time yeah yeah i i agree with you it's definitely interesting to look into though uh especially if you look into things like the denver airport and the the the possible or supposed base that's supposed to be under there or in or or the the dolce bass um lots of really really interesting uh things out there i don't know how truthful any of it is but

1:01:44 it's uh it's definitely interesting it's for what yeah yeah absolutely so what what what is your view of that like what do you think the whole end time scenario how is it going to play out what's going to be uh what what's going to be the the thing that they use to deceive everyone is it going to be like a fake alien thing or is it going to be some kind of political takeover of the world how do you see all of this it's kind of a big question but how do you see all this kind of unfolding it's going to be some of each in there so we're going to have an alien aspect to it you know depend all depends on how they want to present it but likely an alien aspect that we're just one of many species sitting at the galactic table like star wars like babylon 5 like

1:02:32 star trek in that um there are two sides to this war and and this side is for freedom in terms of the aliens and stuff and fighting against the evil god because you have to remember that these people believe that uh lucifer and god are equals yeah and and that uh they actually have a chance to win this and this uh is an ongoing fight so they're we're going to be asked to fight for our rebellion that's going to be this underlying tone so there's going to be an alien involvement and even if we look at some of prophecy we talk we read in daniel and revelation where this war reaches into the heavens and so that's a bit allegorical but i think that's a reference that there's a

1:03:18 alien uh presence that's going to be utilized in that we also have to understand that the fallen angels are going to be released in the end days out of the abyss yeah where they were locked away before so that's going to be an aspect in terms of nephilim and how they work with uh possible aliens and the governments and the secret societies and all these other things going on so all of this is coming together we can see that coming together i think but if we look from history whether we look at prehistory or babel we saw that first there was the universal religion and so that should come come together first uh and the false prophet will stem out of that so whether we're

1:04:04 talking about enoch son of cain not of seth and people need to understand there were two enochs in prehistory and they were not the same and there are different books surviving written by each that there is that is a false prophet and the potentates through the nephilim that came along just like we'll have descendants of nephilim and potents that are going to form world government but you have to have the universal religion first in my opinion and just like at babel we had hermes he was the false prophet that was going that was leading the universal religion there so we have to have the universal church then we have to have the false prophet that will lead to because of the power of the universal religion to 10 empires being set up

1:04:50 just as daniel talks about just as the club of rome has planned and that's their job to bring about these 10 empires and i look at those as trading blocks economic zones powers of influence not separate countries as so many prophetic people have looked at in the past so they'll have 10 different empires in in the world that form this world government and it will be the antichrist that negotiates this world treaty he won't be totally known christians will recognize him as the antichrist but he won't be crowned antichrist until halfway through the end time and so there's a distinct order of how this needs to have happened and i know it's difficult to believe that there'll be universal religion but you know that's what revelation tells us

1:05:38 uh and that uh the antichrist is going to rise that quickly to power and he's not going to have to do it by war he's just going to use sir at the middle of the tribulation three of those empires and expect those to be the western democracies in my opinion because he's going to distribute the plunder which is another word for uh wealth distribution and so all of this has played out in the past and that's why i have one of the chapters that are that is named as a transition from the old part of the history of the nephilim into modern times nothing new is under the sun we've seen this before we're going to see it again so we're going to see an ever growing

1:06:24 movement to bring down borders and attacks against nationalism christians and monotheists being slowly set aside as the mundane the people that will not be permitted to join the new age because we're not worthy and we're incapable of evolving this will only be reserved for what they would say some people might say is the rh bloodline but they also refer to it as the gene of isis that there's a particular gene what they believe that they have these will be the people that will take over their new age not the regular people and it's usually the rich so uh but that's a sort of a broad stroke is how i see things coming together uh and we see and and look for it to come

1:07:10 together through you know the slow movement of the negotiation of free trade treaties technology but then as with all prophecy in my opinion is is for it to happen very quickly in short steps with cataclysmic events so you can imagine an economic disaster or other disasters that that will unite humankind nuclear war but there'll be something that comes along that speeds the process up in a very short period of time yeah i agree with you and i i think we're even starting to see that in our country nowadays what what do you think that uh that the one world religion is gonna going to be do you think that it's gonna be one of the uh religions on earth now say islam or new age that

1:07:55 that's going to rise and take over do you think it's going to be something else entirely it's the old religion of babylon babel uh enoch it will they've they've got moles all through christianity today uh the gnostics are everywhere the everybody knows what's going on in rome rome is going to be the center for this religion and it will take a tribute out of every transaction that takes place it'll be that powerful when it comes about and so we're going to see some things that influence the roman church very very quickly if saint malachy is correct in his prophecy of of popes then we are on the last pope and incidentally uh

1:08:41 he's not only called the anti-pope but also the black pope and so if malachi is accurate and it's not canonized i recognize that uh but the black pope is the leader of the jesuits and we have a jesuit who is the leader and the white pope is the leader of the vatican so we have a black pope and a white pope uh leading the vatican but what also people don't know anti-pope also means replacement bowl and so for the first time we have two popes and benedict was replaced so there's if we're going to start seeing a speeding up then we've got the right pope because this is supposed to be the last pope before the false prophet i know people think francis in many aspects is either the false prophet or uh the antichrist he's he's not he's too

1:09:28 old uh i think and we need a transition look for the mary apparitions out of catholicism to rise to significance in the roman church as as the whole thing sort of takes over catholicism and i'm not anti-catholic my parents not my parents my wife's parents and our catholics and very strong catholics they're good people it's this influence is just going to usurp the church and become the universal church and we know it is the roman church because it sits on seven hills in revelation and there's only one city that sits on seven hills so this will be the religion so it will be mysticism that takes over roman catholicism that uses cataclysms and if

1:10:15 you look at medjugorje on the mary operations come back around these these children were indoctrinated

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