G. Craige Lewis Exposes Hip Hop

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Brief Summary

This YouTube video features a conversation with Pastor G. Craig Lewis, who shares insights on hip-hop culture, its spiritual implications, and the importance of the church in today's world. He discusses the origins of hip-hop, its connection to ancestral worship, and how it has influenced contemporary society. Lewis also touches on the feminization of men in hip-hop, the dangers of celebrity idolatry, and the role of AI in manipulating content. He emphasizes the need for believers to be grounded in their faith, to discern the spirits behind cultural trends, and to seek originality through God. The video concludes with a prayer for listeners to encounter God and a clear explanation of the gospel.

  • Hip-hop's origins are rooted in ancestral worship and corrupted intentions.
  • Celebrity idolatry and AI pose significant threats to spiritual well-being.
  • The church is essential for community, modeling, and protection against deception.
  • Discerning the spirits behind cultural trends is crucial for believers.
  • Genuine faith requires originality, repentance, and a focus on glorifying God.

Introduction and Gratitude

The host expresses deep gratitude for Pastor G. Craig Lewis's presence, acknowledging his significant influence on his spiritual journey. He recounts his initial attempts to reach out to Pastor Lewis and his surprise at receiving a response. Pastor Lewis expresses his appreciation for the host's dedication to truth and acknowledges the importance of his work for the current generation. He mentions thoroughly reviewing the host's content to ensure alignment with his values.

A Word from God

Pastor Lewis shares a message he received from God specifically for the host, emphasizing that God is not finished with him and that the current timing and events confirm God's ongoing work in his life. He notes that the host's greatest adversary is himself, urging him to move forward with the commission and license God has given him. Pastor Lewis highlights that the insights and revelations the host received in the past are even more relevant now, with additional pieces of the puzzle being revealed. He emphasizes that God has chosen the host for a unique purpose and that his voice is prophetic, even if it leads to increased opposition.

The Genesis of X Ministries

The host inquires about the origins of Pastor Lewis's ministry and his focus on music. Pastor Lewis explains that he was always inquisitive, constantly questioning the "why" behind things. He recalls a pivotal moment when, as a child, he questioned the use of pronouns in a gospel song, which led to a deeper understanding of ministry. Despite being a talented musician with record deals, God directed him to turn down opportunities, leading him to seek God's specific purpose for his life. He recounts an experience where God used a physical incident involving his son to prevent him from signing a record deal, ultimately leading him to wake up at 3:00 a.m. to seek God's direction.

A Vision of the Enemy

Pastor Lewis shares that God revealed the message of X Ministries to him through a vision. He saw the devil worship and outward expressions of demons in heavy metal music, such as biting off bat heads, drinking blood and urine, pentagrams, skulls, wild hair, piercings and tattoos. God warned him that this influence would soon target African-American children, leading them to devil worship. This revelation was particularly striking because, in his experience, black people were generally fearful of the devil and tried to distance themselves from such practices.

The Fatherless Generation

Pastor Lewis explains that God showed him a generation would rise due to fatherlessness and imprisonment, expressing themselves through their fathers' sins. He illustrates this with a story of a woman from Zaire whose son was possessed by his father's spirit, causing him to uncontrollably dance tribal dances. He connects this to the hip-hop subculture, where young men emulate incarcerated fathers by wearing do-rags, sagging pants, and getting tattoos. God revealed that this would become the norm.

The Truth Behind Hip Hop

Pastor Lewis recalls speaking about these issues on Halloween, using magazines and CDs to show examples like the backwards "Mr. Ouija" message in Bone Thugs and Harmony's music. He explained how reading the message in a mirror was a confession spoken into one's soul, opening the community to a dark spirit. He notes that young black men now look totally different as a result. Despite initial skepticism, God trusted him with this message, taking him worldwide to warn the church. He turned down interviews with major media outlets to focus on warning the church about the incoming spirit that would affect the youth and future pastors.

The Corrupted Origins of Hip-Hop

The host questions whether hip-hop was always corrupt or if it was corrupted over time. Pastor Lewis asserts that hip-hop was corrupt from its inception because its creators were corrupt. Afrika Bambaataa, a founder of hip-hop, went to Africa and learned the ways of the Zulus, who practice ancestral worship. He brought those spirits back and made raps and beats about their power. Planet Rock, for example, is about false god worship, as the planets were considered gods by the Zulus.

The Power of Frequency

Pastor Lewis emphasizes that music is never just beats; it carries the heart of the creator. He references King David, whose music soothed Saul because of David's heart and disposition. He shares a story from Topeka, Kansas, where a man working for Afrika Bambaataa revealed that he positioned himself in the center of the United States to play music with frequencies designed to affect people in various ways. After praying with the man and casting out the devil, the records mysteriously disappeared from the locked church, suggesting supernatural intervention.

Feminization of Men and Gender Confusion

Pastor Lewis discusses the feminization of men in hip-hop, noting that artists like Tupac and Cam'ron defied gender markers by wearing women's clothing and accessories. He explains that confusing genders stops procreation, marriage, and causes youth to question their orientation. This desensitization leads young people to accept these things as normal because they are prevalent in music.

The Evolution of Hip-Hop's Message

The host observes that the negative influences in hip-hop were more implicit in the past but are now explicit. Pastor Lewis agrees, noting that he had to search for hidden messages in the past, such as Jay-Z spelling his name "Hova" to call himself Jehovah. Now, artists openly incorporate Baphomet worship, pentagrams, Yoruba practices, and other occultic elements into their music and performances. He mentions Beyonce's use of Yoruba imagery and rituals in her concerts. He has been revealing these things through his "Truth Behind Hip Hop" series, which is currently at 14 parts.

Michael Jackson and Aliester Crowley

The host brings up Pastor Lewis's past discussions about Michael Jackson, questioning if he might have been too critical. Pastor Lewis affirms his research was used in court cases and that God revealed Jackson's involvement with Aliester Crowley's teachings. Crowley taught musicians how to channel Nephilim spirits to gain fame. Pastor Lewis explains that the overwhelming reactions people have to certain celebrities are due to these channeled spirits, not just their music or movies.

The Old Ones and the Flood

Pastor Lewis explains that Aliester Crowley and others learned how to channel spirits from the flood through blood sacrifice and other practices. These spirits are the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim, the offspring of angels and humans from Genesis 6, who were destroyed in the flood. Unable to go to heaven or hell, they roam the earth looking for hosts. By becoming hosts for these spirits, artists gain a polarizing presence and power.

Idolatry and Celebrity

The conversation shifts to idolatry and celebrity, with the host noting the increasing presence of devilish elements in the movie industry, citing the movie "Sinners" as an example. He asks how believers can avoid the trap of celebrity when they are often elevated by others. Pastor Lewis emphasizes the importance of being secure in one's identity as a human being, not a human doing, and not being driven by applause or social media metrics.

The End of Social Media

Pastor Lewis warns that social media is on its last leg and that AI will soon alter content. He believes COVID-19 was a planned event to force everyone online, making it easier for the devil to isolate people from the church and authority. He compares AI to the forbidden knowledge in the Garden of Eden, knowledge void of spirit.

The Days of Noah Repeating

Pastor Lewis connects AI to the knowledge from the flood, noting that the spirits who built the antediluvian age had far superior knowledge. He emphasizes that the Bible says the days of Noah will repeat themselves, referring to the angels coming down and having sex with women, empowering them and reversing the roles of creation. He points out how superhero movies now often portray women in traditionally male roles, and how scientists are recreating extinct species, likening it to the movie Jurassic World.

Christian Hip Hop

The host asks about Christian hip-hop and gospel music, questioning if they need to be discarded. Pastor Lewis says Christian hip-hop artists need to be taught, as many are talented but mimic the world. He argues that hip-hop, rooted in false god worship and deviant behavior, cannot be made Christian. Instead, believers should create their own thing, singing a new song to the Lord. He notes that Christian hip-hop has not been fruitful, with many artists becoming bootleg versions of secular artists.

The Father Wound

Pastor Lewis explains that hip-hop had such an impact on the inner city because many young people are fatherless and outsource their identity. They mirror their incarcerated fathers, perpetuating a street culture that makes bad good and good bad. He emphasizes the importance of fathers pointing their children to God.

The War Against the Devil

Pastor Lewis clarifies that he is not at war with those in music but with the devil. He loves music and plays in his church's band every Sunday. He emphasizes that the biggest part of what we do is to bring glory and honor to God, and that God wants all of what we're able to do for His glory.

Human Beings vs. Human Doings

Pastor Lewis stresses that God created human beings, not human doings. Most musicians are human doings, focused on checks and external validation. He calls for repentance and a shift in focus to seeking God for originality. He notes that the industry often degrades good starts, and pastors need to mentor musicians and teach them the true purpose of their gifts.

Abraham and Isaac

The host references the story of Abraham and Isaac, noting that God may ask us to put down what He has blessed us with to test our willingness to surrender and hold loosely to those blessings. Pastor Lewis shares his own experience of God telling him to stop making music and sell everything before revealing the message of X Ministries. He emphasizes that whatever we are not willing to put down has us.

The Importance of Trusting God

Pastor Lewis recounts how, after starting his church, God shut him down and told him he was not doing church the right way. He had to recover for a year before starting again, this time with God's guidance. He emphasizes the importance of trusting God and allowing Him to lead, even in the details of ministry.

What Would Jesus Listen To?

The host raises the point that people often use music for leisure and may see these discussions as too deep. Pastor Lewis challenges this by asking, "What would Jesus listen to?" He suggests that if Jesus were riding in the car with us, we would be careful not to play anything that contradicts Him. He argues that listening to secular music requires a departure from God.

Elijah and the Still Small Voice

The host shares that sometimes, after pouring out and leading, he just wants to decompress and set down the weight of his responsibilities. Pastor Lewis uses the biblical example of Elijah, who, after a great feat at Mount Carmel, was threatened by Jezebel and wanted to die. God showed him a powerful display of thunder, lightning, and collapsing mountains, but God was not in it. Instead, God was in a still small voice, reminding Elijah that He was there even in his weakness.

The Fullness of Understanding

The host shares a story about the moment he first held his son, emphasizing that he loved him completely at that moment, regardless of his future talents or achievements. He connects this to our relationship with God, noting that we are loved fully by God, not based on our performance. He emphasizes that we often outsource our identity and seek validation from external sources, leading to a loss of self when those things are taken away.

Christian Hip Hop vs Christian Rap

The host makes a distinction between Christian hip-hop and Christian rap. He says that hip-hop glorifies what they have, what they can do, and who they are, while Christian artists glorify God and give Him credit for everything they receive. He believes that hip-hop culture glorifies replacements and stand-ins, things that should have never been there.

The Spirit of Hip Hop

Pastor Lewis shares an experience where he encountered a demon who identified himself as "Hip Hop." This encounter solidified his belief that hip-hop is not just a genre but a spirit. He explains that he was dealing with a demon in a man, and after dealing with the demons of his wife, the demon manifested in him. The demon was arrogant and defiant, and Pastor Lewis had to call on angels to help him cast it out.

Sacrifice and the Illuminati

The host asks if people who reach the heights of hip-hop have to make sacrifices or give up their bodies. Pastor Lewis confirms that this is where X Ministries came from, being the first to talk about the Illuminati and these sacrifices. He explains that talent alone is not enough to reach the top; there has to be something else. The devil offers fame and riches in exchange for service and a right of passage.

Selling Your Soul

Pastor Lewis asserts that if you sell your soul to the devil, you owe him your soul. He challenges the idea that anyone can get out of such a deal, noting that no one who has achieved world fame has ever truly escaped. He warns that even accepting the perks offered by the enemy is as good as worship.

The River and Mommy Wata

The host shares a story from his Nigerian background about people seeking help from witch doctors for fertility. Pastor Lewis explains that these practices often involve locking the womb and then offering a solution to unlock it. He connects this to Beyonce's involvement with Yoruba practices and the unleashing of unrest during the pandemic through Yoruba ceremonies in the streets.

The Church's Role

Pastor Lewis emphasizes that the internet cannot create community or real modeling. Jesus created the church for modeling, where people can see faith in action. He warns about the dangers of AI and the potential for digital manipulation. He explains that the local church is more necessary now than ever, as it provides examples, models, and accountability.

The Importance of the Local Body

Pastor Lewis stresses the importance of the local church, noting that even pastors are not perfect and need to show their flaws. He explains that children need to see examples of people making mistakes and getting back up. He warns that the enemy wants to attack our identity, family structure, and the church, all to destroy what God intended for us.

Intentionality and the Truth About Hip Hop

The host emphasizes the need for the church to be intentional, as the current situation is not a coincidence but a setup. He expresses his desire to learn more about the truth behind hip-hop and shares that he will include links to Pastor Lewis's resources in the video description. Pastor Lewis explains that he keeps much of his content proprietary due to licensing issues and a desire not to fund the artists he is exposing.

Streaming and Digital Control

Pastor Lewis warns about the dangers of streaming and the cloud, noting that they give others control over our content and allow them to learn from us. He explains that the enemy wants to be omnipresent and that the internet makes this possible. He believes that there is a digital version of all of us in the hands of the enemy, created from our content and uploads.

A Call to Prayer and Action

The host expresses his frustration and emphasizes the need for the Lord, His voice, and each other. He asks Pastor Lewis to pray for those who are conflicted and convicted, for artists, leaders, unbelievers, and atheists to encounter God. Pastor Lewis emphasizes that he is on every believer's side and is fighting the devil, not people.

A Prayer for Listeners

Pastor Lewis prays for listeners to have open ears and eyes to understand the vital importance of these things in the last stage of human existence. He asks God to help them prepare for His coming and to be ready when He comes for them.

The Gospel Message

Pastor Lewis shares the gospel message, explaining that we are all sinners deserving of hell, but God sent His Son Jesus to die for us as a substitutionary sacrifice. He emphasizes the need to repent of our sin, believe in Jesus exclusively, and confess Him as Lord. He encourages listeners to pray and accept Jesus into their hearts, surrendering their lives to the Holy Spirit.

Salvation and Next Steps

Pastor Lewis explains that if you have prayed and believed in Jesus, you are saved. He encourages new believers to contact the channel to find a local church and to renounce all other gods, believing exclusively in the Son of God.

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0:00 People think of me in a certain way based on what they have seen. Y'all can't read these words, but I'm I'mma read them to you. He put out right before he died. He said, "I'm ready to die and nobody can save me." Biting the bat's heads off, drinking blood, urine, all that stuff in the concerts, basically just devil worshiping me. He said, "But it's coming for the African-Amean kids." Busy Bone came out talking about the Mr. Ouija. cuz it was written backwards and you hold it up to the mirror and it was a confession that you speak. They opened up our community to that spirit. Wow. Now when you see young black men, they look totally different now. But God showed me that in the8s, people thought I was crazy. Black folks, they go worship the devil. No

0:45 way. Meaning, if we were to go back to where hip-hop was at its inception, would it then be acceptable? Not at all. Hip-hop was corrupt in its creation. African Bambato went to Africa and he learned the ways of the Zulus. The Zulus are into ancestral worship. People's like, "Oh, no. It's just beats." And if you know anything about frequency, you know that it's never just beat. What do you think about the feminization of men in hip hop and you got rappers wearing skirts and dresses? These guys are taught by Alistister Crowley to channel spirits from the flood. Nephilim were used to getting praise and worship. You see this movie Sinners just came out. Some people can watch it and it won't do anything, but some people can watch it and have an open door. It's the

1:30 difference to me between Christian hip hop and Christian rap. There's a culture that's attached to it. There's a spirit attached to it. I've been addressed by the spirit. This guy was shy, timid. He was like mousy. After we had dealt with the demons of life, he manifested. When this spirit manifested, he sat back on the chair. He had a toothpick in his mouth and he sat back on the chair. I said, "You know who I am?" He said, "Yeah, I know who you are. You be chosen." I said, "Chosen for what?" He said, "To deal with me." I said, "Well, what's your name?" He said, "Hip hop. If you take his riches, you owe him something. There has to be a right of passage." Oh my gosh. I tried to warn the church. You sell your soul to the devil, you owe the devil your soul. Even if Jesus never bowed his head, if he

2:16 accepted the perks that the enemy offered, it's as good as worship. Beyonce had to go to her to get her womb unlocked. The three women that were over BLM, they're lesbian witches and they were doing Yuruba ceremonies in the streets. God wants you to know that he is far from done with you. He's commissioned, licensed you, not just for then, but for now. He chose you. I'm be honest, they told me that this might not even happen. I was like, "Okay, good. I know God spoke to you. It just Yeah, it's tough. That guy was 30. This guy's 55. It's totally different. I'm on every believer's side." And the Lord reveals himself to me. This is not a podcast.

3:02 This is a deliverance ministry. God is going to deliver just as many, if not more, here than he does inside of church buildings. Not only you got to keep giving yourself over to it. It's proving it to you over and over and the weightiness of your anointing. The Lord says thousands will be delivered. Will you keep watching? Click the subscribe button. I'll wait. N seriously, subscribe right now. Also, like and share this video. The more you like, share, comment, and engage with this video, the more we're able to produce content just like this. And also, we got this merch. Got this merch. The link is in description. If you want to support the channel, you can also donate. That's also in the description. The more you guys support, the more we're able to produce content just like this. Thank you again. Peace. This is a surreal

3:49 moment for me. I'm sitting across from a man apart from my father of course that has literally shaped my walk in Christ. And so the fact that I've reached out, you know, I was reaching I reached out a few times. I was just like, I know he's not going to say anything and it's okay. People were like, where you going get you get? I was just like, it's okay, y'all. I don't think I ever get to him. And um I got a message back from you and I was just blown away that you even responded and that you said, "Hey, let's talk." And here we are today. I'm with Pastor G. Craig Lewis, who has seown seeds of transformation in

4:36 my life from over 15 years ago. I mean, dare I say, yeah, over 15 years ago. Welcome. Thank you so much for being a part of this podcast. Welcome. Yeah, I'm happy to be here, man. And um really enjoy what you do and how you do it. Um I comb through everything. uh because I had to make sure who I'm talking to, you know what I mean? So, I combed through everything and I just I was really inspired by your effort to bring truth and how truth was the main focus of everything. So, I I thank God for you. I I was hoping that you wouldn't go I was like, he might not like something I put out. Let me make

5:23 sure I was like, let me make sure that we got everything on the up and up. I don't not trying to lose this, but wow, that means a lot. Yeah, it means a lot. And this generation needs it. You know, I I know I'm older and what I started doing, the biggest compliment anyone could pay me as an individual is to take it and run with it. Yes, sir. What what was spoken, what was done, what God revealed to me, what I was able to share. um you know taking that and paying it forward. Yeah. Uh that to me that's just the greatest thing to see. So I love it. Like I I I I love that. Wow. Yeah. Let me be honest with you.

6:09 There are very rare and few times that before I do a session like this, God just downloads to me for a person like he has for you. And so this is a bit off record, but as man I feel like I'm man I'm not trying to cry or nothing like that but go ahead. God wants you to know that he is far from done with you and that I myself I'm like God why you saying all this? He says he wants you to know that he's not done with you and that the timing of this and what's

6:57 happening now and the things that he's been showing you, all of this is pointing towards a confirmation of what he's already showing you. Um, and he wants you to know that you have no adversary greater than yourself. Meaning, he's commissioned, licensed you not just for then, but for now. And God is saying whatever resistance, whatever, hey, I'm doing this. I'm doing this. He says, now is go time. That's one. And

7:45 two, what God gave you in that time was necessary for that time, but even more necessary for this time. And the additional it's like it's almost like there are pieces missing of a puzzle that he has also revealed. There's more meaning there's more to be said. There's more that he's shown you. And here's the thing. I'm surrounded by a lot of amazing people. I interview a lot of amazing people. But God is making it clear that he chose you. He wants you. And you know, I have the Holy Spirit in me. And then sometimes the

8:31 Holy Spirit makes himself manifest like as if it's the father. And the father is speaking to the son in you and saying he's saying, "I've called you. I've called you. I've chosen you specifically. I don't know why and I don't know why I'm saying this here and now, but he's given you license to go. And whatever it is, whatever more it is that he's deposited in you, it's not for no one else. It's for you. It's for your voice and it's for

9:18 this time. And I will say this, it may seem like you might develop more enemies in different industries because of what he's calling you to say. It may make you even more ostracized than you even thought was possible. But your voice is a prophetic voice and it's a uniquely prophetic voice. And if there's nothing that's said on this podcast, God wants to remind you that he has need of you right now. I receive every word you said

10:03 because you know, man, these guys know me. So, I don't hold nothing back. I'm honest. But sometimes I want you guys and others to take it and run with it so I won't have to. Cuz it's tough. But when I was praying today about this, God, you just confirmed, but God spoke it and said, you know, I'm'll be honest. When they told me that this might not even happen, I was like, "Okay, good. I'm serious. Cuz I know you're

10:51 following and everything." And I was like, "Good. Just let homeboy just keep doing his thing. He's doing a good thing." You know, it's always been that way. It's just not that I don't want to do what God wants me to do, but you know, it just gets tough. and I know God spoke to you and just said that because you know I um I need to hear it every now and then and it has to be the right people that say it. You know what I mean? The right people that say it. So I appreciate that and I receive it. It's true. And I know I can't stop being you

11:37 know cuz then I'd be looking and be like man I should have I should have just came. You know what I mean? That's that's me, you know. But uh I know I I I know what I'm born to do. Wow. And it is to to do this. Wow. And God never stops giving me stuff. So I know he chose me. Wow. He just never stops. You know, if I get to a quiet place, he's going to speak something that I didn't know after all these years about what I'm talking about. Oh my. And that's the thing. what I'm talking about. Like, it's not like I'm leaving the subject matter. It's just stuff I didn't know before. And he just keeps doing that with every video, with every opportunity. So, I know he's

12:23 called me. He chose me to do it. And so, I know eventually I just got to say, you know, yes, look, let's go. Look, and we got witnesses in here. Y'all can't see him. We got witnesses in here. We're so grateful. Thank you, Lord, for that that moment. Um, so let's get right into it. Okay. So, first and foremost, I'm going just say this right now. When I first saw the first video that you came out with, the truth about hip hop, someone it was on DVDs and some someone said, "Y'all got to watch this." Crazy. Like, y'all got to watch this. I was like, "What is this?" Then I, you know, we put in a DVD player with the whole family. Everybody shook. Everybody was shook. My

13:09 parents are Nigerian. Everybody, they said, "Your hide this, I told you I bought that hip-hop that like everybody was shook." And the things that you were bringing to the surface, I was just like, "Oh my gosh, it makes sense. It makes sense. It makes sense. It makes sense. It makes sense." So, let's start there. How did this all happen? I mean, why music and why you? Um, let's let's take the second part first. Why me? Um, when I was younger, I um I was a why guy. I just the why guy. Like I got whoopins and punishment and

13:55 everything because I wouldn't settle for a statement without knowing the why. M and you know back then parents you don't ask why. Yes. Cuz I said so that's the answer. But I would dare to want to know like why like why. And I remember riding in a car one time and BB and CeCe was playing. Um and I say names and stuff. It's all good. Just in case you didn't know. But uh they were riding and and um I had just had a lesson in school about pronouns and pronouns were uh um they we you know I mean of course they've perverted it now but um the I was listening and I asked my dad I said

14:41 why are they using pronouns and he said what I said why they why they using pronouns like why they saying him and he and we, you know, and we and won't they say Jesus? Won't they say God? Won't they say who he is? Said if you use pronouns, then it's obscure. We don't know. Well, I didn't say obscure. That's smart. But I said, we wouldn't know we don't know who they're talking about. Oh, wow. And I that was like a paradigm shifting moment for me. Um because I guess I you know somehow I prayed that night or a few nights later or whatever and that's when I felt ministry deposit. And um so ever since then like asking why

15:29 and why this why that it's just been a part of who who I am. And it was God preparing me for what I had to do. I'm going to be the why guy till he comes. I'm going to always want to know why we do what we do, why a person does what they do, all of those things. And so that's I believe God chose me because my personality is wired that way. Gotcha. Okay. So he knew as much as I love music now, I was a musician. Okay. And you know, um, record deals. I was, you know, I was a great producer. I'm not trying to, you know, toot my own horn, but I was pretty good. Okay. And um had record deals and songs and different things, industry people constantly wooing me and

16:16 those kinds of things, work with some of them, you know, super famous people now. Okay. Um but I thought that would be what I would do, but God said no. And I watched all my friends get in the industry, get rich, get famous, all of that out of our little circle right in Fort Worth, Texas. And um I had to lay back, okay? Cuz he said he had something else for me. So he would God would make me turn down record deals. Uh you know, and we would get right there like trip to Nashville. We would get calls and I had contracts and everything and I would get right there and then I would say, "God, you know, should I do this?" And God would just say, "No." Then I would flee it. Like give me a perfect example. I was on the phone with a radio exec

17:02 from the largest uh gospel record company at the time that this is gospel. I was you know I never did secular really and I I was on the phone with him and I was uh my son was an infant. He may have been 3, four months old and he was asleep on the couch and I was on the phone and this guy was like, "G Craig, man, we we really want to sign you and your whole production company. Like, we want to bring you in. We want to make you, you know, the the face of gospel, the the the guy." Wow. And um and I wanted to like I was I was in a one-bedroom apartment with two kids. I had my bed, me and my wife's bed, and

17:48 then we had a b a bed for my daughter and a a baby bed in front of us. Like, we were in like this tiny little spot. No money, no running good car, you know, that kind of thing. And so, I'm looking around and I'm like, man, I need to take this deal. And I just said, oh, I didn't want to even ask God. You know what I'm saying? cuz I'm like I know what God here probably say cuz he's told me no on everything else but I I I I don't want to live without him. I don't want to live outside of him. So I said, "Lord, do you want, you know, should I do this?" God said, "No, you already know. No spoken." No, maybe this is not God. Maybe that's the devil talking. So let me let me God ain't a hater like that. Fleece. I said, "God, I said, I need you to do

18:34 something." Yeah. That that will get my attention. And I know that I need to hang this phone up. Wow. Then I heard bump and screaming. My son Landon had just fallen off the couch and was on the ground just screaming. And I said, "Man, I was on the phone with the guy said, "Man, I got to let you go." And I let him go. And my son was okay, fine. It was just God nudged him off so that he would get my attention. So I knew then, my God. And um so that was the end of that. I stopped trying to fight it. I said, "God, obviously you have something for me." me. God said, "I have something for you, but you're too far away from me to get it." And so, I began to wake up at 3:00 a.m. every morning, seek the Lord's

19:19 face, just finding out what he had for me. And God spoke the ex Ministries message to me. Ended up having a vision. God began to show me, you know, uh, what Heavy Metal Music was doing at the time. This is probably 88 89 some heavy metal, you know, they biting the bat's heads off, drinking blood, urine, all that stuff in the concerts. Basically, just devil worshiping, drawing the pentagrams on them, the skulls, wearing the skulls, wearing the evil stuff, wild hair, craziness, you know, piercing themselves all up, tatting themselves. All of those things God showed me that was began to show me that that's what they were doing. when he said, "This is the enemy manifesting

20:06 in a generation. This is the enemy showing his presence. This what demons do when they get in you. They outwardly express themselves by the things we do to ourselves." And so the de he he began to show me that and then he said, "But it's coming for the African-American kids. They're going to become devil worshippers." And I was like, Lord, like, you know, because we, you know, black people, like, I'll be real. You know, back in my day, you know, we were scared of the devil and we would sin some sins. Yeah. Yeah. But we didn't think the devil was a part, you know what I'm saying, Jack? Absolutely. You know, it's almost like you would try to distance yourself from it. I remember we get a satanic Bible

20:51 and rip it up and then jump in the car and smoke and drink and cuss. But we didn't never related to, you know, the devil ain't going to get the glory for my sake. Not on purpose. Right. Right. Right. Even though he is, but we not going to get the credit. Right. Cuz we didn't want to ever get too far away from God. We had these Christian backgrounds. You know, back then we had a Christian foundation somewhere. Yep. And so we didn't want that. But God began to show me that a generation was going to raise up because of fatherlessness, because their fathers were imprisoned. They were going to begin to express themselves because you don't have to know your father for that to be p what your father's sins to be passed on to you. You don't even have to know

21:36 it. That's true. And he didn't have to be around. The best example I have for that was am I am I can I just go? Come on. Okay. Be free. So, I had a I was in Charlotte, North Carolina, and I I did the truth behind hip hop at a church, and so we were having like an alter call, and I remember a lady came up and she was uh she might have been Nigerian. No, no, no, no, no. She was Zeria. Okay. Okay. From Zire. Um, but she came up and she said, "I want you to pray for my son." She I said, "Okay." And I looked at him and immediately the Holy Spirit said, "Ask where his father is." So I said,

22:22 "Well, where's his father?" She said, "Oh, his father's back home in the in in their tribe." Yeah. I forgot which one it was, Tootsie or Hitu, one of those. But he's in his tribe. Said, she said, "But he's possessed by his father's spirit." I said, "What do you mean?" Like what? She said when his father dances tribal dances, he uncontrollably dances. So whenever his father over there, it could be anytime his father dances, he dances really. And then he started moving like this. And she said, "He's see he's he's about to do it." And the boy just started dancing. Yeah. And so I had to I cast ended up with the power of God casting

23:08 that spirit out. But that's when I realized the connection that a boy has with his father. It's beyond what we know. It's not, you know, um it's not just you give birth to someone, but you actually give more than that. You give your, you know, you give of yourself to that boy. So whether you're around or not, he's going to be influenced by you. And that's what ended up happening with prison. You know, guys went to prison and so their when their fathers were in prison, they wanted to they began to express themselves like their father. So they wore the do-aggs and the streets, you know, because in prison the do-agg represented the hair, you know, that's women's hair. That's the closest you going to get to women in prison. Come on. Then they walk around shirtless, tat

23:55 themselves all up, sag their pants, show their underwear, you know, all of these different things that were happening with the hip hop subculture. It be it it God began to tell me that it would become the norm. This it would become the norm. And so, you know, that vision God began to just kind of nourish that vision. This is after three years of me seeking him. Um, he began to show it to me and and then I spoke the message. Um, I remember on Halloween I spoke the message. I had some magazines and I had some CDs and I be to show people, you know, the Bone Thugs and Harmony which had the the the Mr. Ouija backwards message which they just came out and talked about. I don't

24:40 know if you seen I didn't see that one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Bone Busy I think it was Busy Bone came out talking about the Mr. Ouija and all of the stuff just confirming everything from way back then. But I was showing people how you hold it up to the mirror and read it and you speak into your own soul. That's what it was. It was written backwards. Wow. And you hold it up to the mirror and it was a confession that you speak, you know, and kids were speaking it. And so by kids doing that and kids, you know, buying into this culture and this idea, they opened up our community to that spirit. Wow. And so now when you see young black men, they look totally different now. But God showed me that way back then. We're talking in the 80s. People thought I was crazy. No way.

25:27 Black folks ain't going to worship the devil. No way. They're not going to get the pentagram and the the baffle med and throwing up the signs and no way they're not going to, you know, grow their hair out long and the locks and stuff and, you know, the earrings and the tat it up and stuff. that people because nobody could see it. It just did not exist. So they thought I was crazy. But God trusted me with that information to the point there was no social media back then. Nope. But he took me all over the world. All over the world. So we we were in our bubble. So we don't know how big uh X Ministries got and the message got. You were traveling all over the world. It was the biggest black message at the time. Like

26:14 I couldn't go into a town without seeing a magazine or something on the shelf with my picture on it. Like it was like that. Uh Oprah Winfrey and um Russell Simmons and Steve Harvey and uh Tavis Smiley, all those guys called me for interviews. Like it was that big. I turned them all down because God didn't want me. The message was for the church, right? I know I'm not going on Oprah show and talking about truth behind hip hop talk about the truth behind Oprah, you know. So, it was never about, you know, it was never about me going out and just trying to get famous, you know. Um, it was always about the church being warned because when the spirit comes in, it's going to affect the church. It's

27:01 going to birth. It's it's going to uh be birthed in the kids in the church, the youth, and then those youth are going to grow up and become pastors. And they're going to they're going to be expressing the hip-hop culture from the pull pit. Oh my gosh. And then you have, you know, total debacery. And so that was God's warning. He was warning the church what was coming. You're saying you're saying a few things and I I don't want to jump all around, but you talked about hip-hop culture and there was in the messages you were talk about it's not just the music but everything from the dress, the things, the language and all of that. When you go back when you look at the origins of hip-hop, some would say, but there was a time though that hip-hop culture wasn't

27:46 what it is now. Like was hip-hop corrupted or was hip-hop always on its way towards corruption? Like was it good? Was at the foundations? Meaning if we were to go back to where hip-hop was at its inception, would it then be something that could be acceptable? Not at all. Hip-hop was corrupt in its creation because the creation creators and founders of it were corrupt. So African Bambata went to Africa and he learned the ways of the Zulus. The Zulus are into ancestral worship. He brought those spirits back and began to make raps and beats about how those spirits, how

28:31 powerful they were. That's what planet rock is about. You know, planet rock don't stop. Rock to planet rock. That's basically false god worship rock because the planets into the zulus were considered gods. Oh. And so from the beginning, it's been corrupt. You just when I was trying to explain it, people's like, "Oh, no, it's just beats." No, it's not beats. If you know anything about frequency, you know that it's never just beats. It's never just music. Music carries the heart of the author that created it. And the best example of that is in the Bible, King David. When Saul was troubled by the evil spirit, David just played. He didn't have to sing. He played. But because of his heart and his

29:18 disposition, his the spirit came and soothed Wow. the evil spirit and chased it away. That's because of who David was, a man after God's own heart. It's different when he plays versus, you know, they could have they didn't just go looking for anyone to play. It had to be someone with the right spirit. And if you know anything about frequency, especially mastering houses and different things, they're able to put things in music to give music, you know, flight. So that this particular music is meant to change a person in this way or this way or that way. I'm going to tell you something now. This this is a tripped out story. I was speaking in Topeka, Kansas. And Topeka, Kansas is

30:06 considered the center of the United States. So I'm speaking, I'm doing the truth behind hip-hop. And as I'm talking, there's a guy in the audience mouthing all of my words with me like, you know, like, yeah, it was weird. He's mouthing what I'm saying while I'm talking. And I'm just looking at him like, so I'm like, God, what is this? Do I need to stop the message and deal with this? And God said, no, just keep going. So I kept going, kept going. But every time I looked over that him, he it's almost like he knew what I was about to say or he right after I said it, he Yeah. mouthed it. Probably looked worse to me than what it really was. I'm up, you know. You know, you up speaking, you'll go like, "Hey, do I need to deal with this or what?" And so after I finished, I did an alter call. He was

30:52 the first person. He popped up. He jumped up. He ran up there, stood up there. He said, "Hey, man, let me tell you." He said, "I work for Africa Bambada. I he said, "I'm a part of the Zulu nation." He said, "I moved here to Topeka, Kansas, because this is the center of the United States. So the music I play here reverberates throughout the whole United States." He said, "I'm positioned here." He said, "I got records." He said, "I got a record. If you want to get a job, you can play this record." He said, "I got a record. If you're sick in your body, you can play these records." All of these frequencies are set in a way where they can do various things to a person. I was like, "What in the world?" So he went and got all those records, crates and crates, probably a thousand records. Crates filled the whole

31:39 stage, prayed with him, cast the devil out, believe God with him, all of that. We leave the church and the pastor said, "No, leave all the record. Just leave everything here for the, you know, uh, we'll deal with it later." And then we were out eating somewhere and the pastor said, "Man, we might need to go check the church." We went back to that church. All those records was gone. No sign of breakin. No the law, nothing was triggered. Nothing. All those records were gone. What do you think happened? I think Satan took him back. I think Satan took them. There was no entry. It was locked. It was locked. It was locked. My wife, she's here. She was there. We couldn't figure

32:25 out what happened. It's just a mystery. And it was crates. It I mean so many records. It would fill this room up. Uh yeah, baby. Yeah. They filled this room up and they were all gone. But that's how serious. So I said all that to answer your question. Yeah. They knew what they were doing. We didn't know. Oh my gosh. We didn't know what they were doing. We didn't know the spirits that they were tapping into. Oh my gosh. We didn't know that they were gatekeepers. So, we didn't know they were opening our youth up for what we're seeing right now. Now, what we're seeing right now is a

33:10 generation that could care less about anything. Wow. Entitled hatred, wrath, vengeance. That's what we're seeing. And they're expressing it by the way they look. They tack themselves up. The boys grow their long hair out in rebellion, you know. And I tell people, you know, they, you know, black folk, they you do that. I mean, the hair and this that, man, God specifically gave us a design for he gave us uh gender markers. Yes. And he said, you know, men, nature teaches us that men have short hair, women have long hair. That's gender. That's gender markers. That's how we mark our genders. That's being totally defied now. What do you think about the feminization of men in hip-hop? Could

33:56 you believe would you have imagined that today? You got rappers wearing skirts and dresses and they said they hiding guns in their dresses. No, I I said that back then. I knew that back then. I have a It's in my videos back then. Yeah. Tupac put on a a top and then tied it under like halter and then showed thug life and then tied a bandana to the front and then pierced his nose. That's a total woman. Ain't no thug. That's a That's a jail house thug that's been passed around. That was the look. Cameron in the pink fluffy. You know, they they

34:41 they were defying the gender markers because once you confuse the genders, oh my god, you stop procreation, you stop marriage, and you know, you make the youth question, you know, their their their their orientation. Oh my gosh. Um, so you now have a desensitized youth. the youth are desensitized to to these things. And now you ask a young kid, 90% of would say there's nothing wrong with this. There's nothing wrong with that because it's in the music. I kissed a girl and I liked it. It's all in the music. So, back to hiphop in this way. You were saying a lot of stuff at

35:26 that time, but I think right now is when we're seeing the worst of it. Yes. Back then it was it seemed to be more implicit. It was a warning. I had to search for stuff back then like I had to catch them catch them slipping you know H to the is O V to the ISA was like the most popular song when I first started doing this and the Lord spoke to me and said he's spelling my name Hova he's calling himself Jehovah God nobody caught it we just H to O V to this a that's the anthem get them hands up it was just you know that it was ingrained in the music but because it was to a beat folks didn't stop to pay attention to the message that was being you being spoken. And so I started finding the bafflet worship. I started finding the pentagrams. I started finding the

36:11 things, the death jam stuff with Rick Rubin and those guys, all the devil worship and um and then uh what's his name? Uh Russell Simmons, you know, worshiping uh transcendental meditation and and bringing that stuff into it and and now Beyonce bringing Yoruba and all of these things into it. So, you know, during her concert, she was, you know, with the Oshune and, you know, all of that. That's the Yoruba stuff. So, I've been, you know, talking about it since part one of the truth behind hip hop. I'm at 14 now. I have 14 parts of this message. And each one of them reveals an indepth uh part of the hip-hop culture. What

36:59 they're what they are doing when they do what they do. So we're not talking about something that got corrupted. We're talking about a tool. It's always been a tool. And I'm going to talk about beats. I make beats. I make music, man. I make some beats. It's not about beats. It's about what you attach to it or what you're using beats for. Let me ask you this. One of the most shocking things that you were sharing was when you started to deal with Michael Jackson. That was when I I've never forgotten. In fact, it was the Bone Thug. I remember Bone Thug. I remember Jay-Z. But Michael Jackson, that one is the one that threw me. Do you look back at that and say, "Hey, maybe I was going

37:45 too hard. Maybe I was maybe I was reading into it. Well, they used some of it, my research in the in his court cases, so I don't think I was going to Yes, sir. Yeah. Yeah. And it was what God revealed to me that he was doing. And not just him but anyone who you know submits to the Alistister Crow Alistister Aliester Crowley's uh uh you know teachings because he he taught musicians how to channel an old one Nephilim old one to become famous and that's what people don't realize like you know when

38:31 if Jay-Z Uh somebody walks in a room, people just faint or gasp or Yeah. Beyonce walks in a room. Oh my god. Homosexual. Yeah. Yeah. You know how they do them beehive folks? They just And you wonder like because of music, you know, the band the band director plays at the school. Ain't nobody screaming for uh teacher Willie that teaches the choir. You know, he got some nice music, but nobody screaming and falling out. There has to be something else. Well, there is something else. These guys are taught by

39:17 Alistister Crowley and the law at the Lima and and and those things that he was into talking to a spirit called Liam. He learned how to channel uh spirits from the flood. And so there are, you know, through blood sacrifice, through pedophilia, through all of these things, these artists can get welcome one of those old ones. Now, who are the old ones? These are the uh spirits from the angels that came down in Genesis 6, came down, made it with men, created beings. Those beings, God flooded the earth to destroy them. Some of them were 30t tall. Now you know if you got a 30t tall 30 foot tall beard he's going to get everybody's worship you know and so

40:03 these guys were used or the I say guys but these spirits were used to or these Nephilim were used to getting praise and worship they were gods you know like Greek mythology and uh Roman mythology and even Yoruba mythology these are all superhumans with superpowers where they were half human half angelic from another realm well God trowned all of them during the flood. That's what the flood was for. That's why nobody could get in the ark with Noah because everyone's blood was contaminated by this that had happened. And so nobody could get on the ark but Noah and his family, right? And so those when they lost their bodies, they their spirits were hybrid. So they can't go to heaven,

40:51 they can't go to hell. They roam the earth. And that's why the Bible said they roam in dry they look for dry places. They're roaming the earth and they're looking for host. That's where that was the creation of demons. They're not fallen angels. They're actually spirits, disembodied spirits. And so they're looking for bodies. Well, Alistister Crowley, uh, Madame Bavanski, um, those people that studied the law of the Lima, those people that studied the mystic arts and some of the lost books of Solomon, which you know, my part 14 of Truth Hip Hop, I go in depth about Solomon. There's a lot about Solomon, God showed me. Very interesting guy to say the least. But they read his

41:38 books. They they get into his mysticism and it taught them how to control spirits and welcome spirits in and give them become a host for them. Oh my god. Well, when these spirits that used to get that worship get in a person, now that person becomes polarizing. He walks in a room and everybody's like a and it music can't do that. A song like if I release a song, they can't make you look at me that way. If I'm in a movie, that's not going to make you faint and pass out when you see me. There is a spiritual side of this because they've channeled an old one and depending on which one it was, that that's the level of, you know, a power that they're able to operate with, you know, as musicians

42:25 and artists and different things. And so, yeah, now that that's leads into a a very powerful conversation about idolatry and celebrity, right? So just because you're you're saying this is more than just music. Yeah. And to be honest, right now the conversation is now spanned into this the movie industry. You see this movie Centers just came out and it's same stuff. Yeah. Same, you know, um you know, Michael Michael B. Jordan, you know, his mom uh did some ceremony on him, so he's a Yoruba priest. Um, and then they brought in real voodoo, you know, they they I mean they they did this movie up with some with some devilish stuff. And people don't realize when they watch things like that, you know, you and I,

43:12 you know, some people can watch it and it won't do anything. Yep. But some people can watch it and have an open door. Yes. And it changes everything for them. So with this, how do just as believers, as leaders, how do we avoid the trap of celebrity? You to many were celebrity. Um, you're a person that is leading. You have a voice. People look to you. Um, they respected you. Um, I did a poem about this and I talk about idols don't create themselves. We worship them and they

43:58 receive that glory. So, it's a two-way street. An individual that is in that in that imposition, right? They have a responsibility and the individuals that are giving that glory, they have a responsibility. So what would you say to believers that find themselves in the space in the tension of it seems like people are elevating me to a place that I'm not supposed to be? Well, some of it can't be avoided because when you carry a mantle, um, you know, people will admire that. Mhm. I think one of the keys just for me is making making sure you're secure. You know, I teach that all the time.

44:44 Make sure you're secure in who you are. So, it's not about what you do. You're a human being, not a human doing. You know, if you're a human doing, then I mean, you're fed by you're driven by applause. You're driven by likes and views. you're driven by subscribers and all of these things with this wicked wicked internet social media system which is you know it's and it's on a I mean the hourglass has been turned over on this social media like we have very little time on this platform we're on even right now it's it's it's this is about to take a drastic turn. What do you mean by that? I mean that it's gonna it's

45:30 gonna get to the place to where AI is gonna begin to alter content. Is this one of the things that the Lord's been showing? Yes, sir. 100%. I knew that. I just I just wanted to bring it out of here. I was like, there's something that God's been giving him about AI, but I don't know what you're going to say. Yeah. I I just did a video era man 5 um where I talked about AI and its origin, where it's from, how it was created, and those things. But yeah, it's we're on a we're we're on a on the last leg of this. It's about to shift, and we're going to see a big big shift. It was the devil's plan to pull everybody out of the church, put everybody online so that he Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

46:17 yeah. COVID everybody, you know, forced through the bottleneck of the internet. That that that was all planned. Like why did that happen? Why were we all forced there? Why were why did it become so easy to be without a ministry, be without a church, be without a leader, be without authority, be without God's church that he left. Jesus left the church and the church age, and it will last until he returns. It's not gone, you know. Now, some preachers might be gone, you know. Yeah. So, the leaders, but it's not gone. And but the devil knew if I can suck everybody out and get everybody here and then break that, what do we have? And so, yeah,

47:06 we're on a we're on borrowed time. I think about um the garden and how the enemy tempted Adam and Eve with knowledge. Forbidden forbidden fruit was really access to a knowledge and they coveted this knowledge that they did not have. I I compare AI to that a lot because the problem wasn't knowledge, right? The problem was that it was knowledge apart from the instruction, the spirit, the leading of God. And so I look at AI as accessing knowledge void of spirit. And if we get so consumed like people are looking like, should I date my boyfriend? Here's his traits. Would he be a good match for a h be a match for a

47:52 husband for me? I'm going to stop praying and I'mma lean on this. We're so used to if I type it in Google, it's going to give me the answers. It knows much more than me. It's access to the world. What? It's far more superior than my intellect. There's nothing more I I think more there's a con connective or metaphorical uh connection between what happened in the garden and what we're seeing now with artificial artificial intelligence or this forbidden knowledge that we all now have access to at our fingertips. Well, and it's it's knowledge from the flood. So the those spirits that built that antidoluvian age, which some call Atlantis because it was flooded, the city underwater, all of that. Um the

48:39 knowledge they had was the, you know, far superior to what we have now. You know, people look at that and think of dusty sandals walking the streets. No, God destroyed a metropolis. I mean, it was a thriving They knew everything. they were doing gene splices and DNA splicing and you know if you do your research you know you know and I don't recommend a lot of extra biblical stuff for people who don't you know aren't there yet I say let teachers do that God's teach God God has teachers come on teachers he gives authority to certain people to teach everybody ain't a teacher God has preachers he has people that can rightly divide the word and everybody body can't everybody can't do

49:26 that. So I don't recommend you go read the book of Eden. Yeah. If you you know what I'm saying just that's but you're so right. I mean they still can't figure out how they did the uh the pyramids. They still can't figure out. Yeah. And so all of that thing all those things that they created back then the Bible says as it was in the days of Noah so shall it also be in the days of the coming of son of man. What is he talking about? He's talking about in the days of Noah he said they were marrying and giving into marriage. Well, that that was the angels coming down and having sex with the women is what he's describing. And so that era when a woman has knowledge from other dimensions, you know, if you sleep with somebody, you become one with them. So then the women were

50:12 empowered and the males were second-guessed. That's how civilization got destroyed. What's happening now? The angels came down and gave women knowledge, not men. It was women because they were sleeping with them. So they they they became one. They gave birth to these beings. Now, if you give birth to a 30-foot being, what does that make you? You're the queen. You're the queen of everything. Cuz look at your offspring. Your offspring is ruling everything. So you you queen ruler. So the women were empowered. Went up to the men. So God's like, "No, they've reversed the entire roles of creation. They got to destroy this." But as it was in the days of Noah, what's happened

50:58 now? Oh my god. Even every superhero movie now, they just told me that the the the the Silver Surfers a woman. I'm like, man, they just going to make everything a woman. They trying to make Jesus Christ a Jesus Jesus a woman. Well, something. But but I'm saying that to say just like the Bible says, "Oh my gosh, we are seeing the days of Noah repeat itself." And so all that was going on then is happening now that they just created some wolves, you know, through genetics. They brought back of a a species that had been um extinct. And you know, we've seen this

51:45 movie before, Zeke. This is Jurassic World. Absolutely. I mean, first you bring a a wolf back, then you bring a dinosaur back, and then it's Pet Cemetery. You going to bring Granny back. You know, this is scary. We know how this ends. And so, that's what I'm saying. This is the days of Noah repeating itself and all this stuff. Through the hip-hop message, God has shown me how all this stuff works. And I've been talking about it for 20 years. I got to ask a question because to me this was the this was the part for me that I was just like man I don't even know when we started talking about cuz

52:32 the the story starts with you dealing with and rightly dividing what you were singing in gospel and let's talk about that because you know some would say like hey leave gospel alone or we got the Christian we got Christian hip-hop and Christian hip-hop pop like you were saying, it's about the spirit that's in it or the spirit that's about it. Is Christian hiphop something that we need to throw away? Is gospel an industry that needs to be undone? Good questions. Um, my opinion um on the Christian hip hop, let's let's

53:18 talk about that. I'm not saying throw away the guys and throw away all of their intentions. They just need to be taught. They need to be taught. Many of them are talented. Many of them make good music, but mimicking the world, copying the world, trying to be the Christianized version of what you've seen. It it first it causes you to have to listen to that. Oh, then it causes you to have to idolize that person to the point to where you want to be like them. And then hip hop in itself can't have the title of

54:04 Christian. Talk about it. Talk about that. If the hip hop subculture is rooted in false god worship, ancestral worship, rooted in degradation, and rooted in uh deviant behavior from its inception, come on. Then we don't take it and make it Christian. We we we sing unto the Lord a new song. We come we make our own thing. And I'm not saying rap. I I I like some rap. Yeah. Christian rap. But I'm not going to ever want to be a part of anything that is hip-hop. Yes. I don't care what you put in front of it. Wow. Because And we got the fruit now. You

54:51 know, back when I used to say that, the Christian hip hoppers used to, you know, give me a hard time. We have the fruit of it now. It ain't been fruitful. It's ridiculous because now we're seeing the Christian hip hoppers are basically a lot of them are basically bootleg versions of the secular guy. So you you're not quo you the you know the you look like him, you sound like him, you act like him, you on the stage like him, but you're not him. You're the Christian version, you know. And so that has to stop. But it's the same reason hip hop had such an impact on the inner city. These are guy with the guys I'm talking about are fatherless. If you don't have a father

55:37 as an example of how to be, you're going to outsource that. I'm about to walk off what you're going to outsource it. And when you outsource it, you're going to have to pick someone to show you. You know, I I tell people all the time with the hair thing, man, you know, we wake up on Saturday morning, we knew what time it was. Get your stuff. It's time to go to the barber shop. Wow. We go to the barber shop, get a haircut. Why? Because our daddy's hair is cut. Well, we don't look like our daddy. That's the guy I'm watching working. That's the guy I'm watching feed me. That's the guy I'm watching do, you know, X, Y, and Z. That's who I want to be like. When you don't have that, you outsource it. And depending on who you pick, especially if you're a rapper, you begin to

56:23 outsource, you know, a hip hopper. And then you fashion yourself like him. H so it's almost like yeah I want to give glory to God but it's too much self being glorified to give glory to God. You know this is your path. You want to be like somebody and God wants you to be who you are. that and now it's making sense. The even the evil intention of the disembodied spirits that came in to destroy the structure and the function of the original family was to displace the man. Right? The scripture says that if you read in Genesis 6, I believe it says, was it Genesis 6? I believe I don't remember. Genesis 6 says they were the

57:09 heroes of old or the great men. Yeah. Yeah. Men of reown. Men of renown. Men of old. Men of renown. That's so in the house. My father that looks to God, my father that honors God is the hero that points me to God. There you go. Now, if I don't have a hero that points me to God, then I'm looking for a hero. You're outsourcing more. And that's what hip hop was. It was created on the basis of outsourcing. It it it ministered to inner city kids. Yeah. That didn't have an identity. It gave them identity. And the crazy thing is the identity it gave them, they didn't know they were memoring. They were mirroring their very fathers that were in prison. Oh my gosh. Just like the boy dancing.

57:55 Yes. You were you you doing exactly what your father that's locked away is doing. You look like him. You acting like him. You got his manner. Everything. Because that's what hip-hop was rooted in. It was just rooted in that street. It created that street culture that made bad good and good bad. That's the important part that made bad good and good badness. You hear this in the language in the DNA of it. And this is I'll just tell you this. I used to be a rapper. I'm going just tell you straight up. I used to be a rapper. And so that's why it probably affected me so much because at the time I had huh I was a good rapper. Okay. And I end up going into spoken word. That's where I kind of really took off. But I I was a rapper and when I gave my life to the Lord, I

58:44 started off with battle rap. And battle rap is one of those things that feeds you and your ego so much. I enjoy word play and all of that stuff, but one thing I could not understand is how do you divide yourself from tearing someone down, lifting yourself up? Hip-hop is not good outside of that until you and so like the culture of it. And so you literally have to be anti- the culture of hip-hop in rap to exist. Yeah. And how many of y'all want to do that? Yeah. Very few. I know some. Very few. Very few. Because you you basically cut your promotional legs off. So, you know, now you won't be held or you won't be promoted or, you know,

59:29 uh you won't make it. you won't get to play in any reindeer games because you got a red nose. You know what I mean? And so that's why a lot of people don't dare do it. They a lot of rappers come to me like Nicodemus at night, slide in my DMs, whatever they say, and they want to like talk. And I'm the type I talk. I don't tell nobody, you know? we would we we can talk because I want to help you know not hinder so I don't have to tell anybody but they'll come and they'll ask me questions like man how do I you know how do I do this and how can I you know do this cuz I believe what you're saying about hiphop so that's the kind of the

1:00:15 the what's what's be the mis what's being misconstrued some may think that you're at war with those that are in music I'm at war with the devil I'm the leader of the band at our church. I I play every Sunday before I preach. I play in the band. We have 12 piece band. I play keys at the church. I'm a producer. I I love music. Everybody does that. Like everybody's like, "That's the guy that hates music." I love music. We got albums. I have albums. Have a record company. All that. I love it. I've and I can help people with that. I can help you know how to do it. There's

1:01:02 a part of music that glorifi you know there's the the the biggest part of what we do is to bring glory and honor to God. Come on. But the gift he's given us is fashioned by our own talent. What we put in it is how talented we are. You call for the skillful that that person has to get skilled. So there's a part of us that has to dedicate ourselves to be better, to be good. There's nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with being good. There's nothing wrong with practicing. There's nothing wrong with it. As long as God is getting the glory and not from what you're playing and singing, but your whole life, he has to get the glory for for your whole life for what you do to count. And that's what people don't realize. They want to separate that and be like,

1:01:48 "I'm going to give God this." Well, who did that? Isaiah 14:11, that's the devil. He's giving music and up there, but then he's side talking. I want to be like the most high. And so if we're going to do it, then our whole life has to glorify God for it to be right. So it's okay when somebody say, "Man, that was good." You know, and I I I tell people, you know them stink faces you make when you hear certain chords. I make those mad, you know, the most ugly. I want to hear those chords and I want them to be great. I want I want you to show me how to do that. Is that going to bring some what what to me? Yes. People gonna be like that dude can play. Well, that's the dude God wants to come and give him glory and

1:02:33 praise. He said call for the skillful musician. What is skillful? Why was he calling people chief musician? Do you know what chief musician means? It means that's the best one. Wow. So, you know, it's the devil wanted this confusion about it. He wanted us to not understand it to the point to where we don't know what we're doing when we do what we do because that way he can come in and cause confusion and then we don't know, man, am I glorifying me? Should I get this good? Am I this? And we don't know that God wants all of what we're able to do for his glory and his honor. And whatever we do, whether it's playing music or whether it's uh picking up trash on the street in a trash truck or

1:03:20 whether it's delivering goods or whether you working, whatever we do, he wants to get the glory. But not from what we're doing, but for who? From who we're being, human being. He created human beings, not human doings. Most musicians are human doings. I'm doing this for this, you know, for the check or I'm doing this. I'mma go do this R&B. I'mma go do this. I'mma do Well, you're being you're outside of what God created you for and what he allowed you to get that ability for. That makes sense. That makes sense. So, I I think so the issue is really about Oh my gosh. Cuz I want to talk a

1:04:05 little bit about this. There are a lot there have been a lot that has happened musically in the Christian genre where it just seems like there there seems to be a divide. I mean if you if you're in the gospel all the people that might be in here that's in has been a part of the gospel industry it's very clear that there are many people that do or humans doing gospel music that don't live a life surrendered to God. And I think that's a call for the believer. All right, let's talk. Forget the music right now. Do you love the Jesus that you're singing about? They worship me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. So, I guess that music is a

1:04:51 the bad music or music that corrupts is a fruit of corrupted heart. So, what you're speaking against is the heart behind the musician, the artist, the industry. Wh when you're when you're calling this out, it seems like there is a call for repentance. Yeah, it's it's definitely a call for call for repentance, but it's not just I'm sorry. It's a call for repentance. How should I do this? God, show me. You know what I mean? Like originality is birthed through that. Seeking God that will birth originality. That's good. So, you don't have to do what the devil is baiting you

1:05:38 to do if you're seeking God. If you're seeking God, and this is why the enemy wants to stop that, because that is what he hates about us. He hates the fact that we are fashioned in a way he's not. Come on. And so when you seek God for that originality, for that you know it, for that this is it. This is what you want God. This is I know you like this. When you seek God for that, then it's going to sound different to to the to our ears. It's going to be like, "Wow." And most of the time when guys are able to do that, then once the industry creeps in and let me package

1:06:24 it, let me sell it, let me market it, let me and then all those long fingernails get, you know, in it, then it begins to degrade it. It started out like, oh my wow. Then there's a degradation that begins to occur. And that's what we see all the time. Like guys, come out and start with really good starts, but man, can we finish? Can we finish? And it that takes teaching. And that goes back to the bottleneck of the internet and the sucking everybody out of the church. pastors got so and I you know not all pastors but some pastors got so caught up in who was playing that they didn't take the time

1:07:09 to properly mentor that person and teach them what their gift talent and ability really was doing what it represents why it's there why you're able to do that wasn't their concern it was like hey you play and I'll deal with the people and that person is covering childhood hood issues, childhood trauma. He's covering up stuff with his ability. And I've had musician friends just kill themselves. Some of the best musicians you've ever heard just commit suicide because they were tired of people only liking them, only wanting them for their ability. They were human doings. And it takes pastors and ministers and leaders to stand up and say, "Hey man, this is not about your ability." Oh, you know, thank God you

1:07:56 have it. But let me teach you how to carry that. It's It's hard. And this is what it means to be a shepherd and not a pimp. That's it. Because if you're good, let me just pay you for your abilities. Yeah. Yeah. What's the difference? Yeah. Make me make me money, make them feel good, and let's get on with our business. Yeah. Yeah. I would never do that. And then these guys, and I tell our band members, we got 12 band me. I tell them all the time like you're only as good as the the young dude that's watching you. A young dude watching you ready to take your spot and he'll work for half of what you want. So that's why, you know, you got to be careful with that. And then when you finally come of age playing, you don't have a

1:08:43 401k. Like what you what you going to do? What you going to do when somebody's better than you? Oh my gosh. You know, you going to be Kurt Franklin out here still trying to James Brown. Like, you gonna be dancing like that at 55? You really going to be You really going to twerk at 55? Yo, well, you can't stop like like you can't stop. If you stop doing Oh, who are you? Oh my gosh. Oh, and this this it reminds me of u Abraham and Isaac. Isaac got the promise. I mean Abraham got the promise

1:09:30 of Isaac and God said, "All right, go ahead and sacrifice him." I waited 25 years for him. This can't be your voice to tell me to put down just like in your situation to put down what you bless me with, to surrender and to hold loosely what you bless me with. If there's any artist that's watching or listening, anyone that's gifted with anything and at the voice of God, you're not willing to put it down, then whatever you're not willing to put down has you. Mhm. That's your God. Mhm. You exchange his voice for holding on to that. And God's intention and desire was never to take Isaac from Abraham. Like, I'm not trying to make you giftless. In fact, my gifts and callings

1:10:17 are without repentance. But I need to take away the potential of idolatry. That's right. Yep. Cuz that's a threat between my the the relationship that I have with you, that idolatry, the potential for the idolatry. So, I just want to like uh I'm not going to hold you too much cuz I you're good and and to speak to that. Okay. when I felt my call to do ex Ministries and I was producing and had a recording studio, produced a lot of artists that people know now. Um, God told me to stop and sell everything. This is before he told me about EX Ministries.

1:11:04 Now he tell me about EX Ministries and what I'm going to have you doing or Okay, I'll stop. No, he just said I I I remember just telling my wife, "God told me not to do music anymore. Quit the churches I was playing for, sell equipment, stop." And that's how you made a living. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Went from broke to broker. And um but that was right before the three years. And I spent three years finding out why he didn't want me to do any of that anymore. And I didn't produce music and make music for 10 years while I was doing the truth on hip hop. I didn't start back until we started the church. And we started the church. And man, I said, "Okay, the first thing I got to have at a church is a band." So I

1:11:51 went and got eight of my friends, some of the best guys around, and we going to start this church. We put them in there. I'm paying them. And then I scheduled it strategically. We going to start at 2:00. That way they can keep their Sunday gigs and then come play. So we just I'm thinking, "Yeah, we about to do this." I think we may have had three services like that. My potty shut down on me, got sick, and God just laid me flat on my back. And told me, "No, you're not doing church that way." And so after I recovered, it took me about a year of recovering, get my body back right, and that's when I started teaching about health and different things. That's the other missing element in the church. Folk just, you know, they don't know how

1:12:39 what they eat affects them. Yes. And even their relationship with God, food affects that. And so, and I can go on about that, but after that period, God said, "Okay, start the church back." So I started teaching and I said Lord we we really need some music and God said play and I started playing. I was the first musician. I started playing for the church. Then another guy came. Another guy came. And now maybe 13 14 years later we have you know 12 pieces horns and everything. And God sent these people to the church to play and play. None of them wanted to. They all hiding in the audience. I got him out the audits and found out these guys were in the industry. These guys were playing

1:13:24 for, you know, producers and all of this stuff. Like good musicians, you know, when you say he just pulled the band folks be like, "Oh yeah, I know what

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