Earth's First Reset (the flood, polytheistic accounts, & the teachings of Paul) w/Gary Wayne

0:00 The polytheist side says it's the fallen angels who bring the flood because the humans are too noisy and their offspring is too evil. The fallen angels had the ability to pass on their gifts. There is going to be a destruction like in the beginning Genesis 1:1-2. The earth that was in the water and out of the water, which means that the firminant would have collapsed at some point in time with that destruction by fire, probably during an angelic rebellion. The giants were created to ensure humankind didn't reach their destiny. And what's the destiny? To be like angels in the future world. Parent gods who ruled before the flood go to the pit prison. Offspring gods take over. Beal moves up to replace El. Osiris moves up to replace Rah. Zeus

0:45 moves up to replace Kronos. All of these create giants after the flood. Fallen angels and gods could have had up to seven different names. The enemy is so organized, so well informed. They know more about the Bible than you do. If you were to have giant DNA, don't worry about it. 15% of the population has that. Does this give the person enhancements, better immunity? NASA has done research on this. What's your take on the Apostle Paul? And what's your take on this movement? They're going to have to dayify Jesus to bring in the universal Babylon religion. polytheists and the Gnostics, they say that it was only Paul who talked about Jesus in a deity status. But yet in Matthew, Mark,

1:30 Luke, and John, he testifies personally to who he is. Hey, we have Gary Wayne for this episode, and we go crazy. We talk about so many different things. Uh the flood, historical proof of the flood, polytheistic accounts, monotheistic accounts. We talk about the Apostle Paul because it's come to my attention that many of you think that he was a heretic and so we just dealt with that once and for all on this show. We go in a lot of different places and if you've never seen Gary Wayne before, he is an encyclopedia of biblical knowledge. I love talking with him and I would recommend you lean in for this episode. Take lots of notes and you're going to enjoy it. And if you don't, then you never have to watch our shows again. So, love you. Bye. Everyone wants to get to the high places, but if you want to go high, you first have to go deep. What's up? We're back. We have a treat for you. Is it true or is it

2:16 false? Is it so true? 100%. Uh we have the great Gary Wayne with us back in town in Nashville. Thank you for being here, sir. Well, thank you for inviting me back and uh so happy to be back and very optimistic and looking forward to the conversation today. I'm already overwhelmed. Uh just based on what I think you're going to say. So, just for the audience who's never heard of Gary Wayne before, Gary Wayne is a Christian contrarian, which I think is awesome. Um, he's the author of two books. The Genesis 6 Conspiracy about secret societies and descendants of giants, the Genesis 6 Conspiracy Part Two, which is about prehistory and giants and end time prophecy. And you are the only episode that we've ever done where I had to take

3:02 a break in the middle of it to make sure my brain didn't fall apart. Do you remember that? I do. I was like, I got to get coffee and you guys need to settle down. I'm going to go get some Yeah. I was actually hoping Gary would cover my therapy bills after that. Yeah. Yeah. So pain, dude, for two hours straight twice. Um, we were just talking before you said you're getting out on some like other other shows and non-Christian audiences and just kind of doing Would you define this as a um apologetics or just what are you doing as a contrarian? You can't be an apologetic. Got it. I don't think um what I try and do is just clarify things for people. So uh as a contrarian I want to know I want to understand and uh I want things understood in

3:49 context. So I don't apologize for the Bible. I don't um try and de um classify it down from prednatural to just another scripture. Uh, I like to understand the Bible as it was written from Genesis to Revelation as a consistent narrative and highlight the prednatural nature to how this book is put together that comes together in so many different nexus points and data points that it almost becomes almost mathematically impossible and I'm exaggerating to probably a certain degree how many connections are are are there and how supportive it is. So, I'm just trying to get people

4:35 to understand the Bible the way it was written and the way uh I think it was written and to simplify things for people and to show how they can rely on the Bible. Yep. Using history, prophecies that have come through and been authenticated in future times. You have you studied uh Chuck Mistler, the late I have a couple of his books. I wouldn't say I'm a study of him. Uh I'm a fan uh from what I read and he was way ahead of his time. Um a lot of people say that you remind me of Chuck Mur in the teaching. Um so but I can't say I've studied him, but I did like the work that I did read. I did quote him a couple of times in book one. Um so yeah,

5:22 I'm very much a fan of Chuck Mesler for sure. Nice. All right, here's where I think we can go today. um not from a uh approving like apologetic standpoint, but I'm very interested in all of the factors and con connotations involved in the flood, especially from historical context and what what um historical analysis do we have about those times. So, I like to go through the flood. I kind of want to talk about the first generation after the flood. Um because as as we see like the father of faith, him and Noah were alive. They had an overlap. Correct. So they would be connected. Love to talk about some of that there. I kind of want

6:08 to talk about the New Testament uh and the Apostle Paul if we can. He looks so giddy about that one. Oh, I can't wait, dude. cuz like he's you he's a contrarian but sometimes I'm like is he like my as contrarian as I am? We'll see. We'll see if he's willing to offend everyone. Um he's Canadian. We got to we got to cut him some slack. Um old times prophecy. Is all of this good? Anything you want to not talk about? Talk about anything you want to talk about. Taylor, can I ask why specifically you're interested in these topics? Yeah, because when I figured out that um Gary Wayne knows everything, I just started preparing questions. So, I'm personally deeply interested in these things. Um and I think that here's the thing. When

6:55 you have a certainty that a certain text is real, it rewrites a lot of narratives. And so, a lot of people love to poke holes in the Bible. Um and I'm not as passionate about just like arguing with them. But I've come to a place of certainty that everything happens in the Bible is real and that it's trustworthy. Well, that changes how you live your future. So, I think we have like a generation of of people right now who they don't know what what was real and what wasn't and therefore they don't have any idea where they're going. And so, when someone like you comes along, you're able to bring so much validity to different things. It's like if that was true, then revelation is true and therefore I know what to do with what's coming. That's why I would be interested in that. That's super

7:40 cool. If that passes the bar, what about uh why are you interested in hearing about Freemasonry? Uh because there were some conversations that happened offline about Freemasonry last time that I want to cover. And there's uh a lot of I'm going to re hold some of my cards close to the vest chest on this, but I want to know what you think about where they are right now. And I have people who are a part of this and they don't think that there's anything to it. And so I'm like, let's peek behind the curtain. Yeah. On that. Cool. I'm good. Anything you want to add to this? No, I'm really curious about that as well. Cool. Can we pray real fast? Let's go. God, we love you. Thank you for bringing Gary down to Nashville. Thank you for uh the gift of the Holy Spirit that you have given us and you've given his mind. And I pray that you would bless this conversation and that you would take us where you want to go.

8:26 We uh we will honor you and where you want us to go and what you want us to talk about. And if there's anything you don't want us to talk about, delete it from our minds so we can't disobey in the name of Jesus. Amen. Amen. There we go. All right, let's talk about let's talk about the flood. I was wide open door. Let's go. Take me through the whole thing. Do you have a perspective you would like to start at that you have a couple questions on? Cuz it's a very large topic. Yes. What? It's in every old religion. It's in every old religion. And so people have commandeered it. They say the Bible is just a template clone of other things. So like I want to talk about it from that point of view, but also historical analysis. It's like how do we even know that it happens? Yeah. The flood is uh part of a common legacy

9:12 and history of the world. It actually bonds us together inexplicably, unaccountably. It's in all continents around the world except for Antarctica and who knows what we'll find there. It's in all religions and it can't be accounted for in any other way as being at least from a min minimalist perspective there was a great flood or a smaller flood. Now I'm a fan of the great flood. I'm not saying there weren't smaller floods. I think that's possible as well. But it's a common legacy. And the story is uncannily similar, almost identical, but

10:00 seen through a polytheist lens versus a monotheist lens. So we ought not to worry about other accounts of the flood. We have the biblical account and we can see how they intersect with the Bible or vice versa, but they're talking about the same details which again is kind of not possible. It's not it's not you can't have that many disconnected cultures as we're led to believe to have the same story if it's not the same event. And so it's like pyramids. It's they're on all continents all around the world. Uh and again maybe in Antarctica, who knows? Everybody says there is one. I don't know that for sure. But the flood is if we look at it from a

10:48 polytheist perspective and the best one to look at it from is the one that people use against Christianity and I think it's a very good place to start with so that we can understand it. So if we look at the epic of Gilgamesh, it has a dating that's older than the flood story in the Bible from a narrow perspective. And that perspective is is we have tablets dating to about 2150 um BC for the epic of Gilgamesh. And so people say, well, that's the that's older than the flood story. So it has to be the one that the Jewish people or the people of Israel copied as the flood story. Well, that's not necessarily true. What is

11:35 true is you have an older dating for tablets. But what's the reason for that? The reason is that depending on when you want to date the Exodus, and I go more between about 1400 to 1450 BC, it has to be a timing that is earlier or later than the uh epic of Gilgamesh because the Torah comes down to Moses in the time of the Exodus. So, we don't have records before that, but he's receiving the ancient story from God. So, it's going to be a dating that is younger than the epic of Gilgamesh. That but it doesn't make it not true or doesn't make it a counterfeit. And it doesn't necessarily make the epic of Gilgamesh a

12:22 counterfeit of the biblical story. It may be or it's a polytheist accounting of the same event but seen through a polytheist lens. And so when we look at it from that sort of perspective, you you can sort of get a little bit more comfortable. And then when you look at the details of the epic of Gilgamesh, it is a story that is clearly at the macro level of the same event. But at the micro level, the details don't fit. So in the epic of Gilgamesh, you have these giants. And uh Gilgamesh, just for the record, is the offspring of the goddess Nin, a bull god, fertility goddess. And King Lugabanda of Aruk, sixth generation after the flood. So he's created after

13:10 the flood, which we would understand uh in Christianity as the second incursion based on a polytheist story. That's how we would label it. And so Ankidoo is created the same way. But within that narrative, you have the flood story of Utnapishan and Zazudra and known by other names and other accounts and other transliterated languages of the flood. And he is the archetypical Nephilim and all of his family is Nephilim. And we know that because it says both about Enkidu and Gilgamesh, but Utnap Pishtan and all of his family, they are two/3s God and one-third human, and they're

13:56 created by the gods. It's the same story, but the details become different because the Noah story is humans. These are giants. And so we see a description of the same type of catastrophic flood, but one is a survival from the polytheist lens of the giants, which is how they say show up after the flood. But the Sumerian account also has traditions just as the epic of Gilgamesh has of a second incursion and many second incursions after the flood because Gilgamesh is sixth generation after the flood. Now, people will say, "But Gilgamesh is in the uh Enoch book of giants." That's true. It's very common for giants after the flood to be

14:42 named after giants before the flood, right? So, you could have two different giants, and that's not uncommon. That would be one sort of classic example. And so, the details become a little bit different with the the epic of Gilgamesh flood story and that there's seven days, not 40 days. And there's differences like that. So, but again, understand that's a polytheist understanding and they have some allegory within their uh stories which is only known through the sort of the mystical understanding of of the degrees that comes about as you go up the degrees in in in the mystical system and the secret society system. So we we should not be upset that there's another story of survival and it's a

15:30 giant story. We don't have to accept it as true. I would leave a crack open that's possible because God said in Genesis 6 and 7 he was only going to destroy what he created and he did not create the giants. Fallen angels did. So legally if you wanted to get there I I much prefer a second incursion. Um, but we don't have that smoking gun verse. I know people look at Genesis 6:4 and I I tend to agree with the interpretation in this case as opposed to the fact that when the sons of God go to um the daughters of men and do so again. And as you take that back to the Hebrew and like manner that that means after the flood, but it could be more cursions after Mount Hermon before the

16:17 flood, multiple before the flood. And it could also mean after the flood or it could mean both. But we don't have a creation story of giants after the flood. So I leave that crack open. I'm open to the idea that there's different ways that giants can show up after the flood. Now if we look at one more example and this is really good for Christians to know as well is that in the Greek story we get the Greek quote unquote Noah and his name is Ducalian and his wife is Pir actually get the wife's name in that account and this is said to be the Greek version of the Noah story and again okay sounds good plausible but then you get into the details of it it's Not quite

17:03 the same. So who is Dalion? Well, he is the offspring of Prometheus. Who is Prometheus? Prometheus is a god, a fallen angel. So same story, giant survival story, not a human survival story. So we can look at the polytheist accounts and take and glean information about the same event. We just need to understand the polytheist lens. So we have a historical account that cannot be dismissed through any sort of scientific sort of approach when you have that many witnesses and and and narratives that testify to it and a warning to the future which is common in all of those accounts. The details are just seen through the different cultural

17:49 and and uh polytheist or monotheist lenses. So I I I tend to look at I put my faith in the story in the in in the Bible in Genesis and I look at giants as being created and I look at a similarity with that. But I rely on what's in the Bible and whether the other ones are true or not doesn't really matter. But it's certainly possible that there would be records of that or an accounting of that through a different lens. So when we look at the flood though and even throughout the Bible you have passages whether it's in uh the Psalms or Job or Isaiah of references that are part of

18:35 the flood story and and can be at no other part than at the flood story that is talking about more than just water and it's a conflration of catastrophes. Again, that matches up with what is talked about in other accounts that you had volcanoes, you have earthquakes in the polytheist account. You even have the Plleades coming in as uh from that star system or a meteorite depending on how you want to interpret it because again of the allegory to honor their gods. You get three of these, I will call them asteroids or meteors that hit the ocean floor that create this great flood. and the other catastrophes that come with

19:22 it. Uh so and the Plleades is talked about in that kind of manner in the Bible. So I'm not saying that the polytheist account is 100% accurate. What I'm saying is is that we have a testimony within the Bible that suggests we need to look broader than just looking for just one flood evidence when you have multiple catastrophes. If we look around the earth, we have underwater cities like Dwarkca uh all over the world in the Southeast Asia and elsewhere. And how did they get there? Um perhaps during the flood. Mhm. So I think the flood story is something that we should have faith in and it's God's

20:07 intercession into humanity and God does intercede at times whether or not he permits other beings to do that for him or brings it himself. I leave that up to God. But it's an intercession because the whole earth was violent because of the giants. And this is common in all of the accounts and the whole earth uh was uh corrupted including all of the flesh. And so this is an intercession. Why is there an intercession? Because the atommites were created as a resolution to the angelic rebellion. And the giants were created to ensure humankind didn't reach their destiny. And what's the destiny? To be

20:54 raised up to be like angels in the future world. And our inter relationship indictes the fallen angels for the crimes that they do against us. And we're going to judge them in the future time for those crimes against humanity. And they use the giants so that the uh to do their dirty work so that the angels don't get blood on their hands. So the polytheists then now take the story and say, "Well, this just shows you how evil God is because he brings the flood." Well, he's interceding. And he's interceding so that all the names in the book of life that were written in that book from before creation will have an opportunity to leave their name in that

21:40 book or have it blotted out. It's done through free will, through free choice. That applies to humans, applies to fallen angels. So everything that's going on in this world that's evil, God doesn't create evil. He created everything good. It comes from his creations that he allows free will that implements evil starting with the fallen angels and their offspring and their followers on this earth. And so this is an intercession to ensure because all flesh is corrupted. We are about to destroy ourselves from the face of the earth. And we get there with the technology that we might be able to get into uh a little bit later or we might people may want to go back to the shows that we did in January to learn a little bit more about that. But God is preventing the world being destroyed by

22:27 fire versus flood. And even in the polytheist accounts like with the secret societies, they keep their knowledge hidden and in protected from the catastrophe that's coming. And they create two pillars. the poly chronicon in the history of Freemasonry. These are called the pillars of lamech, the pillars of Enoch. And one is to survive a destruction by fire. One is to survive a destruction by flood. So one floats and one is fire resistant because they don't know which catastrophe is coming. And so God intercedes because the technology and the violence that's taught by the fallen angels has hit a level with angelic technology that it

23:12 has the ability to destroy the world by fire. So God permits the flood to come. Y or he brings the flood. And why do I say it that way? The polytheist accounts say, and here's what here's the uh important point for for Christians. The polytheist side says it's the fallen angels who bring the flood because the humans are too noisy and their offspring is too evil. Right? So even in the polytheist accounts they their accounting has the fallen angels do it. Now I'm not saying God couldn't have brought it but the mo is as he lets his creations do as as they will but there has to be an intercession.

23:58 So it the flood comes. But we shouldn't allow the polytheist to label God as evil either way when their own testimonies would suggest that their gods are evil using that standard. So both, you know, maybe both sides should step back just sort of a little bit. And in second Peter, it starts to make sense when you look at uh verse 3 or 2 Peter chapter 3 when it's talking about this earth that was in the water that was out of the water that was destroyed in the beginning and this destruction of fire is reserved for the end time. So that's that intercession that there is going to be a destruction like in the beginning Genesis 1:1-2 as you would sort of try and place that um of the

24:46 earth that was in the water and out of the water which means that um the the firminant would have collapsed at some point in time with that destruction by fire probably during an angelic rebellion with the uh technology that they would have had and the earth didn't perish in the flood as second Peter talks about only what was on the land perished not what was in the sea so the whole earth wasn't destroyed down to its foundations so when we look at this intercession this is interceding to ensure that things are going to play out and all those names are written in the book of life are going to have that opportunity and it continues the salvation plan for humankind which is the bringing of the

25:32 Messiah and the resurrection that the angels don't know about as first Corinthians talks about. Got it. Okay. I have more questions. Are you good? The questions I had you end up answering so you're good. Yeah. Yeah. So, I have a really silly question but it's my daughter is six and so I need to answer this question for my daughter and you probably already know and then I have a more proper question for you. So, no judgment. Were dinosaurs offspring of the Nephilim? Is that how why they didn't survive the flood or is that in your estimation atmospheric changes? Why do we not have dinosaurs anymore? Yeah, it's a it's it's a very good question. So, if dinosaurs were in the period before the flood, then they would have died in the flood. But yet, there's

26:19 dinosaurs that were in the ocean just, you know, of a a little bit different sort of nature. But the dinosaurs that we would look at are kind of a reptilian sort of being. So we know that the fallen angels were implementing their technology and we get even that understanding coming through from polytheist history today as the chimera understanding of DNA manipulation that was done a lot in their accounts of prehistory. And so dinosaurs could likely be in the MMO of giants cuz they have to also apply their spirit somehow to them. Uh you know just as today we can

27:06 create a clone but we have no spirit to put in it. So you have a soul, a body and a spirit. Now animals have a different spirit than humans and angels have a different spirit than humans as well but they had the ability to do that DNA manipulation. So, and when they tended to create things, we have the giants. So, you could create giant beings as well. We also have the elementals that they would have created as well, which uh have a variety of beings. There's four different groups of elementals. And we do get elementals in Galatians 4 as elementals. It goes back to the Greek word stoken. And these are the ones that enslave us in the world. They're part of the hierarchy. And in Colossians are talked Colossians 2 they're talked about

27:51 as rudiments and it goes back to Stokian too. They also enslave us and work in association and both accounts with the angels. So they we know they have the ability to do creations. The question is is these dinosaurs then or were they older? And so saraphim angels are the most common watcher angel recorded by the polytheists. And these are serpent-faced six-winged dragon angels. So when we look at quatsodal as a a plume serpent after the flood or if we look at Osiris as a uras uh angel or bale or l from the bib biblical ureas as being a flying serpent angel. Um or we get the nagas in

28:36 subcontinent of India or the dragon creator gods. This is constant again around the world for the pantheon. They are the ones who were doing most of the violations against creation to create giants and other creations. So they would have created beings that would have raised up their image so to speak and they like to have themselves honored. So now you have reptilians and you have a reptilianfaced fallen angel. Got it? And it starts to starts to make some sense. And dinosaurs before they were called dinosaurs were called dragons from ancient times. So now you

29:22 have another sort of correlation. Dinosaurs were are now we are now being explained as having feathers. So now you have these feathered serpents just as you have the analogy of the feathered or plume serpent within the Quesmayiah and the Aztecs. So the only question then we have is so we know they could have done it and they probably did do it. It was probably a violation as part of the corruption. Now was that before the flood or does it go back to the understanding of Ecclesiastics 1 where you have nothing is new under the sun. What was will be again. And as you move on into that passage in about verse 17,

30:08 it says, and the understanding of this will only bring grief and sorrow. So it's talking about a cycling pattern of stuff that God is interceding to prolong that's related to the book of life that we've already talked about. And that might suggest that there might be more something to second Peter 3 where he had this destruction by fire that is positioned uh to happen again in the end time that happened somewhere in the beginning in the beginning as a reference to Genesis 1:1 in the beginning and the idea that we could have an older earth because you could translate Genesis 1 in one of two ways and it could be translated and I won't do the um litigation of this because it's like

30:55 a two-hour presentation. There's so much information on it, but just sort of give the glimpse of it is that you can have Genesis 1:2 where the ruach of the Elohim, the spirit of God is hovering over the darkness, the chaos as it's known in polytheism. Psalms 104 that also has the creation of the angels and talks about this this these pillars of the earth that the earth would have been destro destroyed by fire down to when God sends his holy spirit the earth is renewed and you have the ruach of the Elohim there in Genesis 1:2. Now you look at the the standard understanding of the dogma where it says the earth was uh void and formless and those words should be

31:43 understood in the Hebrew and you may want to have a different take on the standard dogma doesn't mean we have to believe it but the word was is the Hebrew word haya which is the root word for Yahweh or Yhovah and so it can mean was am is or became name. Mhm. So, what's the right translation for the context of the text? What's the right translation for all the other passages that might be related in the Bible? And then you have, you know, void and formless, and you're into words that are to boohoo, uh, which means to become a ruin, to become void, to become destroyed. it is something that is implying an

32:32 action happened to cause that. And we can sort of double check that and verify that in Isaiah 45 where it says God doesn't create anything in vain. He creates everything to be uh lived in. Now that word vain is to ruin. He doesn't create anything in ruin. doesn't make it desolate. In the beginning, he creates it whole. So in Genesis 1:1, we have in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth whole. But now we have this renewal process likely going on in in Genesis 2. So if you have this war that's going on with the angelic rebellion, that might be a better place for it with this

33:18 planet destroying capability that they have that's coming about for the end time. I mean, you would have destroyed the earth down to the foundations, and then when it's renewed, you're going to have the water separated uh from below to above to to create the firminant in underneath. And that's called heaven. That's perfect with Exodus 20 um I think it's verse 18 where the earth was created in in seven days because heaven can be translated as the location where God lives. It can be what's outside the firminant and what's inside the firminant. In Genesis 1, when the firminant is created, it's called heaven. So you have this possibility that the world was older. was destroyed

34:05 down by fire to the foundations and then renewed which makes perfect sense of what's going on in second Peter. So as we sort of roll that in into our understanding, you have a better location that might match up better for some of the dating of these fossils for the dinosaurs and maybe that's a better fit for these much older dinosaurs. And I'm not saying there wouldn't be in that scenario dinosaurs before the flood as well. But the problem with that is what happens to the dinosaurs in the sea. Now maybe they just died out, but we don't have scripture on that. So either way,

34:51 so again, I kind of look at what better fits all the other passages that roll downstream because the Bible's MMO is to add more information but not to contradict. Beautiful. Okay. Um, when you say the second incursion, which was after the flood, is this an implication that Genesis 6 happened again, or is this more of a of a homage to the Gilgamesh and the Greek like there there were giants that created boats and survived? Is that second incursion the um a repeat? Well, I my understanding and how I apply the term second incursion, again, it's not in the Bible that term. So, it's a name that's been applied to what would be understood and how I would

35:37 understand it as other angels fallen would go after the flood in spite to recreate the giants. They did it again. Yeah. So, what's interesting in the Bible is is we look at Nephilim as the giants. And that's true. And Nephilim goes back in Genesis 6:4 where it has the KGV where it says giant. That's the word neil. The male plural is Nephilim as the giant ones. So they can use it in singular or in plural. And it also means a bully and it also means a tyrant. Both description of giants just as bulls were gods and their offspring were called gods throughout polytheism. These are the bulls of

36:23 Bashan that uh are referenced throughout the Bible and the ones mocking Jesus on the cross in Psalms 22. Um so we have a better understanding and you also have um tyrants going back to Toronto which is the Gajis kings giant kings out of polytheism who were tyrants. These were gaes is the Greek word for giant. Um so just to do a sort of a quick sort of um compilation there. So this second incursion um as it relates to the Nephilim is is interesting because Nephilim doesn't show up after the flood biblically in terms of being

37:10 actual beings. What about Goliath? Well, I'm going to get there. All right. It's a very good point. And so people will say, well, what about Numbers 13 before they'll get to Goliath? And it's it's kind of a critical path here. So as we look at numbers 13:33 in the embellished or the evil report as it's talked about of the scouts that have gone into for Moses to explore the land of the covenant they come back and say there were anakim there and the Anakim are the descendants of giants and that that word giant is the Hebrew word nephilim. So what's going on here? if I'm saying there's a distinction here between

37:56 giants before and after the flood. So understand that these are this is an embellishment. This is trying to drive fear into the Israelites by the other 10 scouts um versus Caleb and Joshua who gave an accurate accounting before and said there were three Anakim kings and there were people taller and greater and stronger than Israel. Two distinct groups but still fearful nonetheless. So the Anakim though are not Nephilim, but they're still giants. And how you get there is Deuteronomy 2. Deuteronomy 2 has a whole list of giants after the flood. Like the Oorim, like the Emim, like the Zamzim, like the Aim, like the casual. These are giants, but that's not

38:44 the Hebrew word for Nephilim. It's Rafa and Raphaim. And Raphaim are a tribe of giants. as it's described as well. Now, there's a series of words with Rafa. 7495 meaning to heal because the giants had this healing ability. 7496 is an evil spirit which is the disembodied spirit of the giant and a derivative of 7495 and 7497 is the giant and tribe of giant. The two ones that follow after that are names of people named Rafa but all derivative of 7495. Terapum, which is a talking idol, is a derivative of 7495 as well in the in in in the Old Testament. And that's

39:31 somehow this talking idol is different than the other idols. It's like the one that Rachel takes back with steals from her father Leban is this family idol. It says image there, but that word image goes back to terapim. Now terapram is also used and translated exactly from the Hebrew that way and why they don't do image there I don't know why as terapom but not all the translations are perfectly consistent in the same application for that talking idol that could also heal and it roots back to Rafa. So these Raphaim giants are somehow distinct from the Nephilim that's recorded in Deuteronomy 2. Well, the Anakim are giants in Deuteronomy 2

40:16 and also Raphaim. So, where do these Raphaim giants come from? So, they're either a different name for the giant, but why would they be named differently when uh they're called Nephilim in the beginning? Well, we get this this interesting sort of concept that uh there are either different names for the same group of giants or there's something different. And so the giants that are recorded in the Ugaritic text for example uh which has uh a ruling council called the Balim council with Bal being the son of L and that being his consort Ashster before the flood consort of L and gods like Amaru

41:03 uh and several other ones and I won't go through all of the names. They created Raphaim after the flood as a second incursion. And the hugeric texts are written in Semitic which is where Hebrew derives from. So the words are very close in a lot of cases. And so the RPM would have been original Hebrew. Same with the RPM in the original Eucharistic texts. So we get a second incursion account by offspring gods who rule after the flood versus the parent gods who ruled before the flood. The parent gods who ruled before the flood go to the pit prison. Offspring gods take over as the disloyal or rebellious host Hebrew Saba

41:49 for an army of angels rank and order. So they would move up. So Beaal moves up to replace L. Osiris moves up to replace Rah. Zeus moves up to replace Kronos. All of these create giants after the flood. So now you get a constant and now we get some data points as to these are different somehow and they also have a fertility issue which the Nephilim didn't have. We also get through numbers 13:33 that there's a veracity to the Nephilim before the flood because they're being used and embellished to the the giants to scare the Israelites even more from the actual giants. So what we get from that is the Nephilim were more powerful and likely larger. So

42:36 now we go roll through to Goliath who's the son of a giant just as there's four other giants from the same father. That's the Hebrew word rafa. Now, we get a tribe of giants that's in the war of giants in Genesis 14 along with the Horeim, along with the Amalachim, along with other giants, along with some hybrid giants like the like the Amorites also listed in Numbers 13. The Amorites are part of 12 patriarchless tribes of the Canaanites in Genesis 10 and 1st Chronicles. And there are 70 patriarchs. Only nine don't have a patriarch. And so Kanan is a patriarch. Seth is his son. That's a pat

43:24 uh Seth Siden is a son. That's a patriarch. Heth is a patriarch. So they produce Canaanites. They produce Sedonians. And they produce the Hittites. But now you get the Amorites. You get the Jebusites. You get all of these names and you don't have a patriarch. These are eponymously named after a patriarchal Raphaim giant that intermarried with females. Now, how do we know this is possible? We get that in Genesis 36. Genesis 36, you have this add-on to the table of nations. Why? Because Raphaim patriarchs aren't listed in the table of nations. So you don't see Rafa as a patriarch for the Rafaim even though they show up in Genesis 14 and part of the land that Abraham is going to be um

44:11 receiving of the peoples that are occupied. They're called Raphaim as well in in Genesis 15. So the Horeim that we talked about in Deuteronomy 2 and then the war of giants show up in Genesis 36. Timna marries Elephaz. Elephaz is the son of Esau. Esau marries a holy bama. A holy bama is a horeim. Timna is the daughter of sir of the dukes of sir of the horeim. So they're creating new dynasties with this intermarriage. And so now you see this concept of intermarriage between Raphaim patriarchs male and female. And you can imagine both of that is

44:59 going on in terms of with the Canaanites. So Hittites are generally understood as a hybrid giant-like people. So are the uh Canaanites. So are the Sedonians in the understanding of giants and people that are greater and taller than the Israelites in Numbers 13 report and verified by Moses in Deuteronomy 1. So you get two accounts that we know that you have uh people that are larger and greater than the Israelites but different than the Anakim and both are confirmed in those accounts. So you can imagine then that Canaan also would have intermarried with a female to create those hybrids just as the daughters of Canaan would have

45:46 intermarried with the Balin council to create the original Raphaim. And just as um the daughters of Canaan, Siden and and Heath would have intermarried with Raphaim patriarch. So you have this intermarriage and this hybridization that's going on. And these were more like 7 to 9 ft giants versus 11 to 16 ft giants. It's about the biggest you can get within the Bible for the size of a giant. Although in the Uetic text and other texts you have Gilgamesh that is 11 cubits, 19 feet tall as a royal cubit and four cubits wide, seven feet wide. So he's even bigger, but he's a darkhaired giant. He's a little bit different than the red-haired and the blondhaired giants which are typically populating the giants of the covenant

46:32 land like the Raphaim are red-haired, horrhaired, Malachemer blondhaired, uh Anakr blondhaired, for example. all things that I cover off in book two if people are looking for some of the sources on that. So when we look at the these hybrids that these are how we get the hybrids that show up after the flood plus we also have the special race of giants and they have a fertility issue which again is different than the than the Nephilim because they produced in great numbers had no issues. seems to show up um with uh the inability to produce females which is why dynasties and new dynasties within the royals the kings of God the kings of angels as that name goes back

47:19 in its etmology um it seems to show up in the word the terrible ones which orim in in Ezekiel 32 which are giants that are talked about there some in the pit prison already for doing the terrible things that they did in the sides of the pit prison and some who are still living who will probably be going to the pit prison. And in that meaning there's a definition you get this understanding there's a fertility issue as part of the definition. So God has somehow limited the giants after the flood terms of size seemingly and their ability to um reproduce and maybe lesser abilities all the way around. So they have to interbreed with humans otherwise they're

48:06 going to go extinct. And that's why the matriarchy bloodline is the fairy allegory uh versus the male dragon allegory for the bloodline in the occult in the royals is so important because that's how you start a new dynasty. Mhm. I I almost wonder if if the you said the the second replaced the first for the like L went to the pit and B replaced them. I wonder it seems to me like there could be a chance that after the flood these fallen ones kind of learned there is a limit to where God will intervene and almost self-limited. I think I yeah I think after the second incursion this is my speculation just

48:52 sort of filling in the space that's left is that one of the things that we pick up in the Ugaritic texts and other accounts around the world is gods like Bal and Zeus disappears disappears why well because they committed the same crimes and then I think there's more restrictions and less interaction permitted. In the days of Noah, both before and after the flood, 600 years before the flood, 350 years after the flood, the watchers walked amongst us. And so did the giants. And so there seems to be even more restrictions that would have been put on after the second incursion, and other ones would have

49:37 moved up to replace him. There's still the council of the gods. Satan still sits above that as the prince and and the god of this world. But if you cross a line, you go to the pit prison. And I think that line continually moved as they did such heinous violations that to ensure that humankind had the opportunity to all have a chance to choose as we talked about earlier, more restrictions were put on. Now, that's my speculation. I'm just looking at it because in the Ugaritic text, all of these gods are said to who have died. Well, immortals don't die, but all of these accounts have these pit prisons located in their history as well for

50:25 giants and gods. And so, the likelihood is is it's like death because they're separated, but they can't die. And Matthew 25 talks about the lake of fire that's reserved for them for these immortal beings. And so we'll see this play out in the end time is we are the resolution to this angelic rebellion. The one thing when I when I study the the Old Testament specifically, um what you're saying makes so much sense because if if you look at um the Israelites kept falling for Baal worship, but they couldn't ever find like Baal it be it was almost more of a title. So, it's almost I wonder if there's any truth to the idea of like if

51:12 if you go as a diplomat to another country, you know, like you're Canadian, I'm I'm an American and thousands of years later they just call you can Canada. Yeah. But it's it's more like you were doing the bidding of this thing and so you had multiple different diplomatic representations. Well, and fallen angels and gods could have had up to seven different names uh in various accounts around the world. And one of the the names for uh Beaal and Beaal means you know Lord God, master God, husband God, right? You also have a word that's very close to Raphael which means healer of God. Uh so it's spelled a little bit differently um but it could been one of his titles.

51:58 Now the fallen angels had the ability to pass on their gifts. And so when we understand that rafa means heal and very similar to the word um you know rapel it's an eel and a couple other transliterations. This is not the Raphael of the KGV Apocrypha or the book of Enoch. Um but it's one of his secondary names. And then we get a tribe of giants that seem to have that eponymous name follow them with the Raphaim and then have all of these other variations of the giants to be called Raphaim as well or at least of that same type of species of giants

52:47 that seems to be distinct from the giants of the Nephilim that seem to be more before the flood. Now, I'm not saying that giants didn't necessarily survive the flood. I do leave that crack open, but I think it's more likely they did not, but I I I leave that open. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so we have a second incursion. They can't build their own empires autonomously. They require a woman to marry into. So, there's a limitation placed there. I think if you're if you're watching this and you're a woman and you're single, make sure you don't accidentally marry uh Rafing. That would be the take away from this. I'm really glad you put that in there. I just think we need to put that in the show notes. Yeah, thanks for looking out for everybody. Well, and another thing to keep in mind is you have a reference in first Corinth first Corinians 11

53:36 where Paul is talking about women should cover their hair because of angels. And if you look at the passage in Genesis 6 4 1-4, the sons of God, fallen angels saw the women were fair. And in whether it's Enoch or other accounts around the world, the the gods and the angels found the hair of women to be very beautiful and the women to be beautiful. And that's why you get the word fair that comes down connected to fairy folk, connected to the pale skin. Does that mean blonde? Uh yes it does, but maybe not quite in the manner that we might understand it today. You might look at it more of an image of what

54:22 they're trying to portray in the house of dragon. Curiously, uh dragon angels, great dragon offspring. And it's more of an albino type of pale for skin and maybe a little bit wider sort of look for the hair. Um, but as it sort of comes downstream through inner marriage after the flood with us, we get the blonde hair and the blue eyes. And it's the red hair, but it's the strawberry blond red hair, the lighter color that is more prized within the royale culture. Your hair is blonde, bro. Good thing your eyes are not blue. Yeah, I'm saying. Well, but just for the record for people that are listening is that if you have if you were to have a

55:08 giant DNA, um don't worry about it. Um 15% of the population has that on on on average. 15. Yeah. And uh and it sort of manifested that way as we get it through the manifestation through the gene of the Rh negative blood. And uh this this is added to uh the human blood of positive blood. And people say, well, you can't add something that's missing in there because that's not logical. Well, yes and no. So, it's more no than yes, Rh negative has misses the is missing the D

55:54 antigen and so it's Rh negative. That's the application. So it's the gene that produces the blood. So it's the gene of Isis that they would say is the root word for genesis in the polytheist culture. It is the lbens of the northern giants. So the lbens means lb as in pale as in hor as in the same descriptions you would get for horeim. As you take that back into the Hebrew, gens is Latin for uh, you know, a genealogy, but specifically back to a specific patriarch, you get the credens that is the uh word associated

56:40 with citric text, krt in the original um, seemetic. And cit is the island where Zeus spent a lot of time. And that's the Zeus bloodline. So Hercules offspring of Elk Manny and Zeus after the flood is part of the Kredagens and part of the Gaji's bloodline of kings and specifically the Hercuidian Hercules bloodline of king. You have the Julia gens for example out of the black nobility in Italy that goes back to like Julius Caesar and Augusta but more importantly back to the 100 senator families that go back to Romulus

57:27 and Remis who are offspring of Aries or Mars in the in the Latin pantheon uh the war god. So these are genzes that they that they track and so it's that gene and the gene is passed on through the matriarchal bloodline the R that produces the Rh negative blood which again is why it's important that these females were used to create hybrid giants so that they don't go extinct. And so the Rh negative can actually skip some generations but still generally pass down through the female. So when we start to look at this understanding we, you know, if I say there's 15% of the population through

58:13 research that there's multiple searches out there that's come to about the same number that this is a manifestation. There would maybe even be more because it can skip that generation. But don't be fearful of that because physical attributes inherited innocently don't dictate salvation. Only faith in Jesus and God dictates salvation. So don't worry about that. And you have to do something willfully just as the fallen angels did things willfully to create the giants and other violations to to humanity and to creation. So when we look at that in those sort of terms, let's not you know

58:59 worry about what our physical attributes are. Let's worry about what our spiritual attributes are. Is there any legitimacy in terms of like does this give the the person enhancements better immunity like what well I mean including NASA has done research on this they do it more with aspect to Rh negative and aliens but it's elementals are part of the alien mix as well. So, uh they have a lot of attributes that uh are like uh 135 plus IQ. Um more blonde hair, more red hair, more blue eyes, more um hazel or green eyes. They have um higher levels of in intuition. They

59:44 have more they have more involvement with uh phenomena, spiritual phenomena, alien phenomena and a whole list. They have lower blood temperature. Just this whole list of things they also believe which is kind of interesting is that they can't be cloned for whatever reasons. What maybe it has to do with the gene that they believe in. And it's also good to note that the Windsors are O negative and the heaviest cont conc concentrations of Rh negative blood is in the royals around the world. And the most heaviest concentration of Rh negative blood is with the bass which are an unaccounted for people who say in their own mythos that they survived the

1:00:30 flood and that they and they originally come from Atlantis and they call themselves in their mythos Homo Atlantis. They started Egypt, um, Sumeriia, um, Asia Minor, uh, as civilizations immediately after the flood and then moved to southwest, uh, France and northern Spain. And they were persecuted against by the bloodlines moving out of the Middle East to Europe because they had a superior bloodline in their their opinion, which is why they were sent around the world. So, but they have an Rh- negative bloodline that ranges in the surveys from 50 to 80%. Wow. Which is just so far above anything

1:01:17 else in the world that one wonders how that connection is that way. Um, so they could be part of the original giants, right? Both before or after the flood. with these the Basks. You said you created Egypt. What's the term the Enanku or Inunnaka? Uh Anunnaki. Yeah. Would that be these people? Anunnaki. Do you know that? One would one would presume, but Anunnaki don't tend to be labeled in the Atlantean mythos. Okay. Um Anunnaki are two groups of people. They're like the Titans. they are and

1:02:02 and I'm going to link Greek and Sumerian prehistory here. So in the Greek history to understand it like Zeus is a Titan but so is Hercules a Titan. Poseidon is a Titan and so is Atlas a Titan. So you have a Titan of heaven and a Titan of the earth. And the Titan of the Earth, Atlas in this case, um, you know, and the mother is Kaido, human female, to create the giants for the Atlantean Empire. There it is. Right. Right. Same story. Um, 10 kings that they want to react the new Atlantis for the end time. Um but you have you have you you have this uh this

1:02:51 creation of of these giants that um have this connection to heaven and the earth. So if we take that now back to the Bible first, let's look at Genesis 6 because again these are talking about the same events. You have the sons of God, which we call as fallen angels, but we don't get that term in the Bible. You see gods, you see angels, but you don't see fallen angels. But that's the term that we use for a rebellious angel. Where we do get it is with one specific angel in Isaiah 14 when he falls from heaven. Hail El Bashakar. Hail, son of

1:03:39 the morning. Uh, and he falls from heaven. People would understand that as Lucifer from the KGV Bible should be hail. Um, Lucifer is an Italian word substituted into the English language for a Hebrew word. It should be translated like Gabriel. It's one of Satan's names. Right. Y l e l at the end. And so when we when we look at that word fell, that's the Hebrew word nefal. N a p h e l versus n e p h i y l for neil for the singular. Put on the I am plural. You have uh nafim and nephilim, the giant ones and the fallen ones. I am

1:04:25 is a male plural and it means ones. So that's where the fallen ones comes from. from the fallen one who enticed all the other angels to rebel. So that's where we get the term. So now we have the sons of God which are fallen ones of heaven and nefal is the root word for nefil. So they're fallen ones as well but from the earth as well. Partially of the earth, partially of heaven. Right? And so now it starts to make some sense. Anunnaki is the same thing. You have the Anunnaki of heaven. You have the Anunnaki of the earth. An Ununnaki of the earth are the giants. They're both called watchers in Sumerian history. Anunnaki are gods or fallen angels as we would understand them biblically. An ununnaki are det are

1:05:12 depicted on Sumerian reliefs with a bird face, these wings, and they're doing this ritual around this some sort of technology. They got this purse. They got this crystal or a pine cone or something in their hands, but they're doing some sort of ritual. And they have these wings. And then you have the same depiction, but with a human head. These are cherubam watchers versus seraraphim watchers. A cherubam has the face of a lion. It has the face of a human. It has the face of a bull and the face of a bird. So when a troub tical form, it takes one of those faces. So when we see uh the

1:06:01 sphinx or carobs uh in the Middle East, these are troubles and you'll see them with a bullface in part in some uh depictions. You'll see them with a gargoyle or a bird face in depictions. You'll see them with a human head or a lion's head like the sphinx is typically depicted. And so this is representing the cherubam watcher. And the human face seems to have had dark hair and black curly be dark curly beards as we get the depictions off of the reliefs. And they look very much like the image of a Gilgamesh or a Nimrod. These are the dark-haired giants. So if we look at the seraraphim

1:06:47 as the likely celestial mafia godfathers for the blondhaired, blue-eyed, and red-haired, hazel or green eyes and the dark-haired ones coming from the troub start to make some sense because they would take on the attributes of those of those uh beings. And so when we look at the original offspring before the flood of the seraraphim, they were serpentine looking and that's why they're depicted and called serpents before the flood. The original ones after the flood would have also had that serpentine look. Just roll forward to Aenatan over a thousand years after the flood. Look at that

1:07:33 picture on the statue. You can Google it or go see it in person. It's scarier in person, believe me. But he's got a serpentine face, right? So he's got long protruding chin, high cheekbones, these large wraparound eyes that would glow because they were called shining ones with this elongated head like it's a serpent's face and it's still there a thousand years after the flood because the kings were these Raphaim giants and this from the the seraraphim line. Over time, they lose that through the intermarriage less they go extinct. We already covered that. So now a cherubam if depending on what form it takes it could create a dark-haired giant like Gilgamesh that we described it could create if it took a lion face the lion men of Moab or the lionlike men of Gad

1:08:18 or Arioch which means lionlike as part of the Mesopotamian kings that are waring with the giants in Genesis 14 that we talked about earlier. You could get a birdface giant. And we get these Tangu offspring in Southeast Asia. Tangu is a watcher god in the Southeast uh Asia pantheon. And one of them has a bird face and produced birdfaced offspring. So you can Google teen gu and you'll probably get most of the image coming out of say Malaysia and more likely Japan and it's going to show you these beings that were priests and warriors that have these bird faces just

1:09:03 as the lion men of Moab were gibber. Um, or I should say probably that reference would probably come from the lion men like like men of Gad or Gibberin of the wilderness as you take that back to the Hebrew. And so mighty ones, right? Gibbor gibber mighty ones. And in the Kishmayiahvu, you have the accounting of the Zabala, which were demigods, lived in the other world. They had owl faces or bird faces. And there was one specific one that's called the Camzots and the house of camots. And that means in the original language, the house of the bat. Now, if

1:09:48 you Google camazot, c a m a z o t zed, you're going to get Batman's outfit come up as a superhero, just as L is the uh parent god who created giants before the flood. Um, and uh, L is the name that is based on for Superman, Jorel and Dural. Mhm. Superman and his father from the house of L, who are Uras gods, and they have the serpentine S on their chest. So, anyways, I know I got off stream. So, technically like Superman's more demonic than your like little bracelet thing that people are freaked out about. Yeah, that's a medical alert. I've had

1:10:34 my aorta valve re replaced. So, I'm going to we're going to we're going to have to do two episodes. So, anyways, bringing that uh full stream, uh all the superheroes, just before I bring it full stream back to the topic, all the superheroes are based on giants andor the technology that was applied to give superhuman um attributes at that time. So that's why you have, you know, all of these different looking bird type superheroes, serpentine images, and the super, it's just all based on the giants of old. Now, the Anunnaki that we were talking about um were the watchers and were the giants within the Mesopotamian land. So

1:11:19 Anunnaki of the heaven, Anunnaki of the Earth. So when we talk about the Anunnaki and we get that into the alien mythos, the Anunnaki are placed at the top of the hierarchy because they're watchers, right? And their offspring is a little bit lower and the elementals are lower. That's part of the visible um hierarchy. Got it. So it all starts to make some sense. Yes. Okay. I hope it's slowly making sense. And Gary, I don't know how you got your brain, but this is fascinating. Can I ask something that's a little bit more like ground level that I'm just curious about? Absolutely. Okay. This goes back to the thing about the Giants. Did you watch the show uh House of David by any chance? I did.

1:12:05 Okay. I was curious on just the accuracy of I know they even said like, "Hey, this might not all be accurate, but um how did they do in terms of accuracy?" Cuz it was actually funny. I was watching the show and I was seeing all the giants with Goliath and I was like, "Oh, Gary referenced this." I was like, "Maybe they took your idea." But a couple different details that I noticed that were in there. Um, Orba as the mother. Um, you've got different giant giants. You've Goliath, Lemi, Ishbi, Benab, probably not saying those right. Um, and they're kind of depicted as like the last ones. What if that is like accurate made up? What from what you know and what you've seen, like what do you what do you think about that? It is the most accurate account to date, but not accurate. What do you mean? So,

1:12:50 more accurate, but not fully accurate. Okay. So, the names are accurate. They're not the last of the giants. Where do the names come from? Bible. So, I just don't read. Well, got it. Yeah. So, if you go in the time of David, not only does he deal with Goliath, these other giants are his brothers, right, that they're talking about, and they're all named. They all come from a specific parent. So in book one, I actually go through the accounts and then link in the outside biblical accounts that will link back to Ruth and David and to Goliath. So that part was accurate. Um but and and and the depiction of Goliath is is reasonably accurate as well. You notice he's quite stout. Yeah.

1:13:36 Right. Just as giants are described and he's way bigger. So, and I would put him at 11 ft 3 in at 6 cubits in a span using a royal cubit. Uh, I would say that Goliath was king before Ashish. That was a little bit inaccurate. And that Ashish gets his opportunity to uh become king because Goliath is killed. The Philistines had a pentapouolis of five cities of five kings. They all would have been the lords of the Philistine, the Sar or the Sarim, Gajis, Tyrannos, kings as you take that back in in the etmology. So when David took five smooth stones from the biblical account, right? He doesn't know whether he has to kill

1:14:23 the four other brothers, right? Or four

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