Digimon Adventure Last Evolution Kizuna Podcast Review

0:01 hello everyone and welcome to a new episode of lost in transition this time we're covering digimon adventure last evolution kazuna i'm joined by queen hi and the lovely chloe who is equally lovely as quinn hello because i want to say lovely queen but she is lovely i like to think so and i forgot to introduce myself because i don't know why my brain's just not working today i'm also may lovely is to be decided but i am a i do exist un unfortunately the lovely evie will not be joining us because we had a bit of a miscommunication about the recording time which is a shame because i would have liked to hear evie's thoughts about this movie because there was some great padamon in this i can summarize it as padman in a hat as a hat yep yeah hadaman with a hat is a hat is

0:48 the best thing in this movie and you can quote me on that yeah so before we get into covering the movie here's a quick synopsis if you haven't seen it or if you just need a bit of a refresher so a mysterious illness starts causing chosen children around the world to fall unconscious and also have their digimon disappear the chosen meet manoa who tells them that digimon only have a limited time with their human partners and disappear when they grow up in whatever extent like maybe if they grow up too soon whenever they are considered grown up very unclear it seems like they just like to maybe like hit a certain maturity level yeah or to some level of potential so yeah they're real unclear about whether this is a personality milestone thing or uh like you're running out of energy thing yeah yeah yeah they used

1:34 both because in tai chi and yamato's case it was just like like i think it's both like the evolution speeds up the process it's very much just like it's it sort of just happens yeah it's very confused and fairly contrived considering like we have to later ask you know why didn't you tell me about this well it was socially awkward and uh also i'd like to point out that sora just it just happens to sora completely like off screen like one shot she's hugging vm on and then in the next shot she's looking at her dead did you guys and i'm so i don't necessarily think that was a bad choice yeah but i think sora should have been in the movie to any meaningful extent before that yes well okay so i'm not sure if you saw the short it's but

2:19 there's many shorts but only one actually was released on youtube and had english subtitles and in it saw us like talking to mimi and she's like yeah i don't want to fight anymore i kind of just want to make flowers like my mom and just kind of be separate and i don't really want to be involved in all the digital okay but it's that's [ __ ] put it in the movie yeah absolutely it's it's so weird yeah it's cannot expect me to bring that into this that is that is absolutely unconscionable yeah it's an absolute look the best part the best i haven't seen all the shorts yet i do own them on blu-ray but i haven't watched them but one of them well first of all one of them has pump moon and got someone in it uh another one has biomon and palmon watching selfiemon like train and

3:05 they're like hey what would our joggers be which is great anyway so yeah so that that happens and we have them finding out that this is because all this illness is because of a digimon named iosmon and taitinyumato face the fact that they will soon part from their digimon but they continue to evolve and fight to save the other children manoa is revealed to have created eosmond as she forced herself to grow up early and created her own like digimon to basically kidnap the children so they're always children and and and so because she lost her own digimon agamon and government evolved to their final forms which i don't think are actually mentioned in the movie but one is one is bond of courage and the other one is bond of friendship so they're still ogamon and still goblin

3:50 but they're just like human fairies now and then they're able to defeat eos mon but algeman and government still disappear at the end of the movie titan yamato say that they will see each other again and taiji decides on his thesis topic digimon and humans coexisting and then i guess the epilogue happens from zero two and they all meet their digimon again but we don't know how yeah that's all you don't get to pick a theme you don't get to have this be last evolution and have the digimon die and then canonically still come back and have that be a meaningful ending to your movie yeah you know and also this came out in february 2020 so two months before the reboot yeah also they cannot decide if the theme is you should let go of digimon or

4:37 you absolutely should not yeah you should because colon was bad yeah what were our highlights for this movie i liked the music music was uh music was good quite good it looked consistently pretty really good yeah yeah they stole from from ava rebuild and you know steal them the best yeah and hey ava rebuild then stole from kizuna so yeah like there was a lot of similarities to uh thrice upon a time that i noticed but we won't get too into detail yeah it was mostly just visual similarities you know still haven't seen it maybe maybe i will like tonight you know are you sure think about it yeah it's on amazon right i think we actually do have amazon because brady has a subscription okay then that's that means that i can watch it so that's pretty cool

5:22 anyway so i i really liked in this movie how and it was only shown like twice it was graeme on evolution and also metal grain on evolution and it was just a reanimation of the original one from the first season of adventure but with the digivice phone and i really liked it like i know it's just it's just a nostalgia grab but it worked so well i was kind of into the digivice film but i wish we'd like had a single line of dialogue about why this is better yeah i mean they still have their devices so it's not like they all changed and what was with the weird digital goggles that did nothing the goggles they do nothing well they he had them in try right these are digital goggles so i guess these are just upgrades of the different i guess

6:07 but in try they also didn't really do anything i think they were just an excuse for ty not to be wearing his goggles at the beginning of the movie which is real well they used them once i think in like the first movie to see like where the digital lines wait right right yeah we also go out of our way with with mekumon to make sure that you know that try is still canon but also we're not gonna follow up on any of the hanging plot points from tri no like and i guess this is even though our villain has the exact same motivation jen i should yeah i know that was my that's my main low light but jenna shows up and nobody sort of referenced the last time that they saw jenna he was doing things like being upside down and licking sora like we're not going to mention the evil jedi okay we also forgot that sora exists

6:54 until 80 percent of the way through the movie i mean she was sprinkling i mean she did have like you know less than one percent of screen time yeah look that all checks out for a digimon movie that like sora exists but isn't present in the battle and mimi and joe are off doing something yep at least maybe just died or not being a doctor they can never decide if he's any good at it perfectly competent what are you talking about he no well we know that he becomes a digimon doctor so i think that he actually failed becoming a human doctor and yeah he's just doing his residency but it sounds like that he does not get his license because we see him uh i we see him fixing broken bones with bolts of toilet paper yeah well all right i'm just saying he's not going to say

7:40 maybe he's just you know pioneering a new field and wasn't that interested in doing it in humans in the first place but yeah like i mean wouldn't he have to also be a vet to i mean you would need to be a doctor and a vet do did you need biology yeah yeah you would you would probably be better to be also a computer yeah you can just reprogram the digimon he's just so good maybe that's why he doesn't seem to give a crap about security about security it's 2010 at least which i feel like is before we were kind of like it's a usb stick from a stranger and put it on his corporate mainframe yeah i mean i feel like in i mean this

8:26 yeah this was set in 2010 that's why they all have like chunky boy iphones but i i feel like with weird craft cases that koshuo made i guess probably yeah i i really like that though if he did like make this this new digivice basically i feel like that's fairly cool yeah like i wish that we had gotten i don't know like tell me about what happened with the the d terminals that'd be just way funnier to me i am continually confused about the determinants because it makes zero sense zero two cents seeing that i don't know what it is it's something that stores the digi eggs that they can use to store eggs that they can use to get alternate evolutions but also send emails yeah

9:11 these are not weird magical devices these were apparently just palm pilots the kids all owned canonically yeah cause because tai chi has one in like the first episode he sends an email to the others saying there's things going down in the digital world so but yeah so that happens but yeah we're just forgetting that those exist i guess but yeah back to the point about mako being like existing in this movie i also liked that the film also included not only just the chosen around the world such as the digi destiny dingo from australia they also show willis which means that yeah which finally makes this this movie canon like like it finally makes hurricane touchdown canon as in like the shows never really mentioned it it

9:56 kind of just didn't mention in zero two and it's except for the in the english dub but the original version never mentioned willis ever existing except for within hurricane touchdown that one movie so it's nice that that's canon i'm just really really happy to see all the the children that we've seen throughout the show just show up in that part even though it was directly just ripping off what happened in hurricane touchdown where cherubimon wanted to revert kids back to being kids again and kidnapped all the original chosen because he wanted to do that uh so that's a thing and also the world was vaguely similar to the true on world in hurricane touchdown um i'm not sure if the highlight or a low light but the the weird final forms instead of omegamon that i was expecting were sure

10:42 frontier yeah they were very much just i think i would have preferred it if it was a biomerge or a matrix evolution like but then ty's just sitting up on his shoulder and i was like oh okay because i i really thought we were gonna do a bio merge but no no yeah i thought that too and then we saw the kids exist and like i don't know they feel kind of weird being so human-like when i mean walgreens is human-ish yeah very much so but it would have made so much more sense if it was sort of the bond made them evolve together it just it's weird yeah that's what i thought they were getting yeah like i absolutely you know it looks like that's i thought that it was just until he's on the shoulder for a brief second i thought it

11:27 was big tai chi is wearing agumon armor or whatever you know but that's horrifying i kind of wish it had been that uh i mean i i think that's already canon from the uh angela anaconda special yeah do i want to know about that right you do but i'll show you later yeah it is important required viewing for your digimon experience to be honest see look i liked angela anaconda as a kid so i just i never i remember oh i really like i'm not sure if it was just really popular in australia but whenever i talk to an american they're like yeah that was weird i've never seen angela anaconda before and i was like it was huge every kid watched some commercials for it but i like was only vaguely aware of its existence it is also possible that i was just the

12:13 target demographic for angel anaconda because i i was the age and everyone else my age watched it and loved it and like and you know that everyone's parents loved it so it is just possible that the digimon movie angel anaconda part was just for people my age because i loved it so i guess i was just the target demographic which is like go me i have something going for me i'm gonna put that on my resume was the target demographic for the digimon and angela anaconda crossover what the hell is that yeah i really hate the art style of angela anaconda terrible i think you had to be there like i'm glad i think you have to like yeah i probably couldn't stand it now

12:58 because it i don't know i feel like i wouldn't but anger anaconda should have been in this movie is basically my takeaway from this conversation it looks like a it looks like a [ __ ] post it kind of does there isn't a whole genre of angela anaconda [ __ ] posts i think there are but they're all digimon related of course they are look i've seen a post once that like some kids like parents got divorced because of the digimon movies specifically the angel anaconda part i can't remember the full context but it was just like it was after they saw that part in the movie i'm i'm i can't remember it off by heart but it happens well that sure is an interesting story we almost told um yeah i'm sorry you're good i i quite liked the movie uh as this being my only

13:44 digimon movie aside from the uh american uh release of the other three at the same time uh and having watched atmon and the worst parts of adventure colon i guess i i really liked it it was um i didn't know that this villain's motivation was just a carbon copy of something that happened earlier so i liked that we had a sympathetic villain um i do still think that it was well executed um i liked that we were kind of a bit more you know moody and mature about a lot of things as opposed to just being you know kids who yell a bunch and get you know blast power friendship through everything yeah even though we still kind of did that we we sure did but then also but sometimes that doesn't always work exactly it was it was it struck me as kind of

14:30 gritty digimon and i was kind of here for it yeah and yeah i said it no i'm i'm here for it ah well yes we are also still saying that killer things are still going to be read tacular from time to time though yeah are we good to move on to the low lights i i liked most of the movie yeah yeah i mean i do have like miscellaneous highlights which just i mean kind of already mentioned it with the evolution reanimation for graeme and mel greymon but i i just really liked the the nostalgic bits like we had the parrotmon fight with greymon was for one thing i don't know why we all struggle as perfect to fight okay so that's my one of my lights is how are you this bad at fighting parrot mod in particular like 10 years of digimon

15:18 fighting later i mean to be fair paramount is a perfect level so greymon being able to beat it was kind of just a little bit surprising but i mean yeah i guess but we've we've fought a parrotman in i think every series and like it is it is not that difficult and also you apparently have never learned how to avoid civilian casualties at any point in the last few years of very publicly saving the day especially because tri had basically ptsd in sorry did i say try or tie because i meant to try and try but okay i combined time try but it just came out as try but yeah tai in tri had ptsd sort of in the first part he certainly should after you know his mentor died in his arms

16:03 yeah we're not going to mention them in this movie though which is monkeys sure still is doing something in the dark ocean i guess with she walked into the the ocean and with an ak-47 and didn't come back when somebody stole her motivation yep all right okay i quite like this yes but i don't have any of the background to know why it's bad yes in the context in which they voted it has some real problems yeah well for just for a quick context for chloe is that in try there was a kid well an adult that we found out was one of the original original chosen and there was a part where they're all struggling against the dark masters which like these four really cool looking bad guys our sea dragon

16:49 robot dragon tiny child and clown hisoka from hunter hunter anyway so they're all so the five kids were fighting against them and losing and she was possessed by sort of maybe god and sort of maybe god was like i require stability uh so all the all of the four ki the four of the five kids got their digimon to evolve to basically the four uh gods of the digital world but that means that the the one kid who was possessed the fifth kids digimon would do it yeah so they all attacked through the other digimon like through the the i don't know it doesn't make i don't know why but for some reason is a funnel for their attacks for no reason and also the attacks don't work very well

17:34 and even though we've kind of clarified that digimon get reborn as eggs we kind of don't we hers doesn't so she decides to reboot the entire digital world so she can see her digimon again but then when she does this she finds her digimon but her digimon doesn't remember her because she rebooted the digital world so it doesn't have memories and then she proceeds to strangle that digimon what yep yeah yep it escalates very quickly and then she goes mad uh becomes a bad guy and then like runs into a place that's whack and holding a pistol which evolves to an ak-47 and just like starts laughing and then we never seem to get pistol but i can't say i remember because quinn was giving me the rundown about this and she told me it went the other way around but okay

18:20 there was some guns evolving and she was laughing and then we never saw her again after she strangled the digimon yep the the movie also ended on telling us about a great evil coming mm-hmm which jen i said apparently we see jenna yep yeah we like i don't know why coach roy didn't just say hey uh hey hey jenna you are you are you feeling good like i guess resolved that off screen so that's nice i guess and apparently kosher has been talking to jedi the entire time yeah yeah we look you know we're it's just bros being bros you can't hold it against somebody just because he licked your friend are you absolutely sure you should but you know yeah you definitely should but i guess yeah i guess that's sort of my low light is that the fact that we're well two things jen and i kind of is

19:06 weird to be there women we're not going to mention that there was an evil jedi who was just ranting yeah and also this movie was kind of just a combination of try meets hurricane touchdown meets our war game we have the they're fighting the internet part of our war game we have the digimon kidnapping the chosen children and making them children again and then we have the villain's motivation being marky from tri so it just it feels and there's real nostalgia parts which that doesn't ever create enough new that it's it doesn't really stand on its own uh if you know that those other things exist which is a shame yeah but it's good when it's actually just straight up referencing stuff like that's cute those

19:51 cute little easter eggs that that's fine but when they're just not just referencing it they're just taking they're plagiarizing themselves yeah i don't know so but i really think that that the insistence on confirming that the epilogue is canon really undercuts the theming of the whole movie because it is you know you need to grow up you need to move on you should let go of your digimon but also we want to go around and confirm to you that yes all those predictions we made 20 years ago are still definitely gonna come true it's very important that you know that matt's gonna be an astronaut uh you cannot change your own destiny from that uh so you should let go of digimon but also know that the characters are going to not let go of digimon yeah i mean

20:37 watch more digits starting in two months yeah yeah watch all this all this adventure colon business that's gonna happen but the thing is like it was kind of nice seeing for the first time in a digimon adventure movie that we can just pretend that we don't have to pretend that digimon don't exist because people have digimon so digimon are just walking around now and kids are like basically superheroes just showing up with their digimon it is so nice that for the first time we're not just saying oh what's a digimon i don't know like because they have seen digimon since 1999 and then again in 2002 so in 2005 when we're just like what's that and then finally in 2010 we can just stop pretending they don't exist it's i i do i do appreciate that i was definitely

21:22 down for that i i find it really unbelievable especially in light of try that there won't be any government agents involved in the whole you know we're effectively superheroing and people just know who we are uh and also you know if you're gonna do all this pro bono superheroing maybe charge them some money because no we already talked about this they call it even because they destroy the freaking city every time they do it that's certainly true yeah but that is fair yeah also we have again i'm it is just a low light for me that the parrotman fight was at all a big deal it took way too much effort and then they're like huh how come only four of us bothered to show up i'm like wait you shouldn't need four of you yeah especially because they can all go to

22:08 perfect level yeah at least yeah oh yeah because in try we all got to fully evolved form so that did that that yeah this just was not a problem yeah nobody else remembered that they could evolve beyond perfect i kind of get why they included it you know that maybe you know it uh oh it's not that i don't think there should have been a fight scene it's just like no but that's like i'm saying that's like it was because so it was difficult for all of them so much because they like don't really uh they're they're not as digimon anymore you know they're get then stuff going on in their real lives i guess it you know i i would like to establish that uh augumon isn't staying with uh yeah that was screwed up yeah yeah he's like ty talks about how long it's been since he's seen agumon and how aguaman

22:53 has never seen his dorm room like that is that is screwed up yeah that's what i'm saying so that's that's probably why it was so much harder for them than it should have been because they're not they don't really like they're not as in sync as they once were yeah that's fair um that that brings up a lot of questions about how you can have an everlasting bond but where you ask your friend to just like hang out at home with your mom for four years sort of i sort of thought that you know renewing that relationship and and caring about your partnership again would make the timer go away when they brought that up and then no no that's not what happened i'm kind of glad it didn't though you know i am and i'm not again because i like there's almost certainly gonna be a sequel in a few

23:39 years where we wind back all of this because we have to sell more digimon i'm remaining optimistic that you know for for me this is the canonical end of all things adventure and nothing else exists because like if that's the case then this is pretty good that's fair but there is a zero to a movie coming i don't think there's a date yet and i'm not sure what year it's set i i think it might be when daisuke is like an adult okay so god i i will lay down five dollars right now that agumon will be back and we'll have just come back off screen and no one talks about it unless they just don't have tai chi in it and it's just daisuke nah i guarantee that's that's my bet right now is tai chi will be in it argument will be in it and no one will ever ask how yeah that that would honestly track that's fair that's also what they did with the

24:25 the post stuff for uh tamers yeah yeah uh do we have any other lowlights i can't decide if it's a low light or a highlight how so the light is uh handled and i'll i'll just say it i guess now since i forgot to say it during the highlights but like i don't know i really like actually kind of the more like subtle angle they took with a lot of sora's stuff where um you know i was asking for so long like okay so you know what's what's sora gonna do like they keep showing her every night here and again is she gonna come in and save the day what's what's going on uh and then she you know is saying oh you know i don't i don't want to go fight and apparently that was uh because of some stuff that had happened in a special or something before but you know also it kind of implied that she knew that you know her time uh with her with her buddy digimon was limited and didn't want to

25:11 make it run out any faster but then anyways like during the course of the movie and yeah but was she there like when they found i didn't think she was actually there when they found out that she had like a short time like i think i'm not sure if anyone told her i don't know if anyone did but it seemed like she at least had an idea yeah i think once you start seeing a clock countdown it's a little obvious what's going on yeah but yeah i'm not even sure if like but did a clock show up on hers because i know we had like we just never shot did you sort of infer it i think yeah it must have because we saw her uh you know like broken one yeah broken or you know turned to ash or stone or whatever one yeah after digimon was gone um but i do also kind of like that you know they they uh uh what is the how am i trying to say this they didn't you know like push that

25:57 in your face it was something that just you know clicked to me about a minute after that scene ended i was like oh wow oh yeah i found it was kind of realistic how she just kind of wanted to live her life she was like i don't really want to do all the digimon stuff like you y'all are enough to fight the bad guys you don't really need me i'm just going to be an adult when we saw that line we both said at the same time yeah that's valid yeah and i i just wish that sora had had a little more of the movie to develop that i wish that conversation with mimi where she talked about not wanting to yes fight had happened which is why i think that i land on that being a low light in the end because it would have been nice to get just a little a little more yeah i i wish that digimon as a series cared more about women yeah i mean i mean yeah mimi

26:44 was great in this movie but also is the first one to be unconscious exactly and i mean all that we got about how hikari is doing is that hikari is doing fine yeah hikari exists yeah i mean we just we had that conversation that we were like okay well you know oh uh joe's off being a doctor and mimi's doing her startup and taku and hikari are doing fine it seems end of conversation about them as characters right now yeah not hanging out with the taco oh no i'm sorry that has got the hat yeah he's got the hat but he's also got padmana as a hat wearing a hat so that's fair that balance is out maybe i really do kind of hate takoya's design that is actually a real low light at

27:29 least they kept like this the in try he was just random wearing hats that's fair but the trilby was pretty obnoxious and it's not a good 2010. to be fair i think everyone like i just knew a lot of people in university wearing that hat yeah i know because it was just that exact look in 2010 like it was just before it was like a kind of like a scumbag look everyone was just wearing that because they just like the hat like wearing fedoras and trilbys before it was like kind of a thing to wear them if you're a scumbag so i mean that kind of tracks like at least i can say yup that is 2010. yeah it was is definitely the era i don't know i didn't hate it um but yeah but sort of like with the zero two kids i liked that we got to see them that

28:15 that was that's that's good that was cool miyako was was cool for the parts that she sort of mattered for i felt like she was more she was she had i feel like she was more in the novelization of this like she was kind of just running the whole digimon community and it was booked yeah it i actually read the novelization it came out three days before the the movie did in japan and i read it i downloaded it on kindle and it's it's basically the same except i fear i felt like miyako existed more in the book that's fair i'll have to take your word for it yeah yeah but it the book didn't really show like as much of the the cute little nostalgic easter eggs as much obviously because they can't it's animated but yeah like i mean without jumping ahead too much my

29:00 novelization review was two out of five stars but i did enjoy the movie better because it did it the novel kind of missed out on a few moments that were highlights to me because they were kind of references to the original any other lowlights it struck me as kind of weird as uh how they just kind of had uh agumon and gabamon go from like baby back to regular just like between cuts in the dorm room or wherever that was that's a yeah that's a little bit of a tradition but it is always a weird choice yeah yeah they were just like stuff in their faces with burgers and then all of a sudden they're back yeah oh yeah they do that whenever they don't want to show an animation to evolve or they don't want to they don't have the time to show the evolution they kind of just do have

29:46 those cutaway evolutions like oh they evolved while the camera was looking out the other direction yeah i just kind of surprised like they didn't even do the you know oh yeah it happened under a waterfall and here's a glowing light thing you know it was just no sound no light nothing just bang yep there it is oh yeah that's fine the times they do show it on screen and they they tend to just have them spin around in a circle and then turn into their new form it's very funny huh yeah it is interesting so who were our favorite characters in this movie padman has a hat in a hat hands down it's a very solid choice um yeah that is a solid choice oh actually i'm sorry i have a low light that i want to talk about which is a weird fbi man who is just shy yeah yeah you can trust me i'm just introverted

30:32 yeah this guy who's walking around armed in a society where that's pretty illegal but it's okay because he's an fbi agent but you know jalanta knows he can trust him even though he's lied to him in every conversation they've ever had yeah he he trusted him very quickly and for no reason yeah oh i do have a last highlight which is the yamato's boyfriend at the beginning of the movie was was pretty cool oh yeah yeah i wanted to see more of like their university friends and their university life yeah i i guess i wish that more of this movie had been like what are their lives rather than oh no we need to fix a problem with with menowa causing comas and such yeah oh no we need to do our war game again exactly i've seen it now three or four different ways yay let's do it again they always

31:19 do it they will always do it forever it's kind of all they know the internet tubes were still pretty funny yeah yeah i liked the internet tubes the internet tubes are always great i think my favorite would have to be well my favorite character in this episode would have to be i think kosher oh i feel like he did good plot yeah like i appreciated that if i'm given a less me me answer um which is m-e-m-e hyphen y not mimi the character if i'm giving yeah yeah i actually really liked her character yeah even though it is apparently a carbon copy of someone else's uh you know it was well executed i sympathized with her a lot she did it better and she dressed better yes and like damn that entrance that she made oh that was my last uh big big glow light

32:05 that that i really want to take a minute and say which is please for the love of god anime studios if you're going to write a bilingual character please get a bilingual actor they exist it's a really jarring when your allegedly american character has a really funky sounding accent but also just like pay people from diverse backgrounds come on also well i guess while we're on that topic also i guess kind of like a low light is that when we have manoa's flashback to her talking to morphmon she's speaking japanese yep yeah she also just speaks japanese really well because i mean it's not convenient i'd rather listen to her speak japanese well than suffer through her american

32:51 yeah i mean an actor yeah but i remember in hurricane touchdown in the obviously the non-dub willis was american and he would have english conversations when the japanese characters weren't around which made sense um he would say things like chocolate no it's me yeah walrus and i just every time i just like that end please tell mum amy i'm going to the summer memory i just die at chocolat no it's me walrus i just cried i think it's horrible we've been i mean it's it's pretty uh uh what the hell was that series that we've been watching called uh mosaic which is mostly pretty good um

33:37 but does have the exact same habit of allegedly uh british characters who can barely speak english which again is not inherently a crime but yeah well it's over their occasions they inflect a sentence the way that no one ever would and it's so jarring sometimes it really is and i just i don't know it feels kind of lazy when you can't get an actor who can do the thing you're trying to do yeah so what were our ratings out of five i think i'm gonna give it a four oh yeah oh i gave it a like i gave it a three just because it's really hit by the low lights really do hit but like especially how it's just marquee again and we're kind of we're paying attention to try existing because mako's there but also when jennai shows up we're not just

34:23 going to addre like evil jennai was really off-putting and we're just ignoring that like i mean it's it's a good thing that we're not like for pretending it doesn't exist but it still did happen yeah these kids still saw that if you're gonna pretend it didn't happen don't include him yeah like you would have been fine nobody was asking where's gennady yeah honestly i had kind of everyone better forgotten yeah i mean i i just i've kind of forgot that that he existed until he showed up in this movie and i was just like oh that's right i'm annoyed about about evil jedi but honestly i completely forgot that evil jenni existed until he showed up here and i was just like what why why why is he here like terrified one of the few things that adventure colin did really well was replace him with a floating rock just he replaced

35:09 him with google as well kosherow gave us the the plot stuff yep and that was fine i liked that yeah you know what i i think i will take that back i'm gonna i'm gonna change mine to a 3.5 wow i'm sorry y'all jenna hits hard okay well coming in semi-blind i'm giving it five out of five i thought it was actually really good that's fair that's fine that's fine i didn't have any of the background information about you know like plot inconsistencies or et cetera so i think sure if you'd stand alone without any of that background stuff in your mind like like i think it is a very competently made movie but it is really hurt by choices that they made when you add it to the larger continuum that is adventure that they clearly want you to because you know it's not like this movie exists without nostalgia i mean i thought it was just fine without the

35:55 nostalgia i don't i don't have and would not be the fourth time we're rebooting adventure if it were not for the nostalgia dollars well yeah but that's your guys's fault for you know uh having that nostalgia in the first place well there is that it is it is kind of funny that it's hurt by the fact that we know things that have happened in digimon before because it's also got stuff that makes it really cool that to people who have seen digimon before like all the visual references that's great i don't think it's creative digimon have a great uh hold on what the fans actually really appreciate about digimon apparently it's adventure and money which all i'm saying is they could make more money if they would pander to us

36:41 more efficiently i'm not saying don't do it i'm saying do it better i mean ghost game looks pretty good that's gonna say fingers crossed for ghost games yeah yeah like like two episodes in like i'm i mean we also i mean we said it for adventure colon so this can go completely wrong but two episodes into adventure con we were like oh yes this seems good and then no but i really hope it's not the same case with ghost game because i'm really enjoying ghost game yeah ghost game seems good so far yeah but anyway yeah i quite liked the movie and i was kind of expecting that it would just kind of be a train wreck so i was very pleasantly surprised mm-hmm that's good yeah sort of exceeded your expectations yeah the vague impression i'd gotten was that kazuna was not very good but i couldn't have said what you know why specifically because i was trying to avoid spoilers yeah yeah and i was expecting something like the american dub of the original

37:28 movie where we just you know have a bunch of like licensed uh smash mouth and etc i liked that i mean i grew up with the digital movie i remember renting it from the video easy like just shortly after it came out and if i watch when i was a kid i'm sure it would have been there for it like no other but watching it for the first time as a 27 year old woman i was it wasn't a uh a highlight for me but the music on this one and apparently they had original music on there like actual original japanese releases of all those as well but i wish i had heard the original soundtracks so that i could maybe like it more yeah that's fine yeah maybe sometime we'll go through and watch the original adventure it was pretty all right yeah especially if you're watching you know the 20 best episodes yeah it's very much a baseline

38:16 like for me i always think oh is something better or worse than adventure it's kind of like how i judge it because adventure's kind of like just average it's very much just like it's just a show starting out yeah it's fine like i would i i'd rewatch adventure i'd probably even re-watch adventure zero two but that's because i just really like zero two as like a nostalgic sort of standpoint sure any miscellaneous thoughts oh no it was a pretty okay movie it is definitely hurt by the insistence on going back to the adventure well over and over again yeah um so i i definitely i mean i would say i hope this is the last time we do that except there's another movie coming out so yeah well the adventure never ends honestly like it's the last evolution for two months until colon started yeah and then that you know that's where i

39:03 mean the they can't really pick their own theme because of the theme of the movie is you should give up on adventure digimon evolution move on except even within the movie we're telling you it's definitely not the last evolution within that timeline because colon's a different universe yeah well colon is a different universe yeah but we've got a movie we've got a zero two okay movie coming out that's coming out that will is it though i thought that wasn't established it takes place yet i guess it is a little unclear i will be surprised if it's not as i guess my but we just know that daisuke was cooking ramen and then he sees a digimon yeah or something okay well anyway i was um and maybe i just regularly don't give digimon enough credit for being a little bit more

39:50 gritty than i expect it to be but i was like you know surprised that we had uh tai chi suffer like you know a pretty bad head injury even though it didn't really amount to much but you know i didn't expect to see him bleed um and i i definitely expected you know for the final shot to be tai chi and yamato turning around to see augumon and gabamon or something but so i'm also kind of impressed that they managed to refrain from doing that too yeah that that moment where they're talking to their digimon and then they look and they're not there yeah like that got me like oh no yeah i think it gets me up and cried a little bit i'm not gonna lie yeah yeah me too it's just affected me you know it was good especially because you know i've been with these kids to be honest yeah and i'm glad yeah like well done except that i didn't until the epilogue yeah until the far-off year of

40:36 oh boy two that that the epilogue happens in 2027. yeah so i guess that has been six years that they should not have gone out of their way to explicitly say by the way the epilogue is still a thing if they'd left it even ambiguous i would have a lot more respect for the the theming well it's ambiguous for me because all i have to go on is your word so like okay i haven't watched it so i guess give me some slack well what i'm not saying you should know that i'm just you know i'm i mean i guess my miscellaneous thought which is also kind of a highlight is the fact that miyako is studying like to be a computer scientist because and and this was said in a cd drama that she is just on maternity leave but that happened after the epilogue and as a kid i was kind of kind of like disappointed that miyako

41:22 just grew up to be a housewife like because that was my impression of the epilogue is that she was just give us a whole lot else yeah they just said miyako was married to ken and they have like a million kids to go be an important detective guy yeah but then a cd drama came out only in japanese that was like yeah miyako's just on maternity leave she actually works alongside kotoro and it's a computer program and i'm like that that's cool i wish me as an eight-year-old knew that because me as an eight-year-old was really annoyed by that and it's like anybody can be like a house husband or housewife because like i mean it's kind of my dream to have a house husband that sounds really sweet i get to come home and there's food on the table i'll be like yes like that that would be like everyone anyone is entitled to be a house partner or what have you but i was really annoyed because i picked her at all

42:09 no but people can change and like maybe she's you know clearly going to marry me yeah i i i love the fact that it was never mentioned if mimi has a husband or a wife and that was just like she has a child but she is her own successful like she is gordon ramsay but mimi which is but better great even better she is every celebrity chef but better than them because she's mimi but uh yeah i mean yeah those are sort of my miscellaneous thoughts that it's that this that kizona is lifted up but also put down because of nostalgia like it's its best points and also its worst points because again it's not that this movie wasn't unique in concepts yeah i i do wish the movie were a lot more original in its like actual structure

42:55 yeah i mean i'm looking forward to the zero two movie that's uh coming at some point just because i i just i've mentioned before i just really like zero two and if it was well animated and well written it would be just like yes kind of disappointed colin didn't like do a little bit of zero two as a treat because that would be fun oh uh another any other thoughts yes i i quite liked the cinematography just oh in general definitely it looked really good uh but it also reminded me of the other uh moment with the the the rain on the window oh uh doing the the teardrops what a terrible day for rain moment in reverse uh who was talking there that was just a completely different anime that you're thinking of no no no when they had the i know that it's a

43:40 full metal alchemist uh reference oh rory and uh was that he cockeyed oh you're talking about in this movie in this movie yeah when they did the thing when the the big old drops of rain fell down the window and looked like tears because of the let me find that light yeah it was a lot it was a lot it was very somehow i had convinced myself that was a completely different anime nope i just don't remember at all where it was in here oh yeah i just don't really get what was up with the whole aurora stuff yeah the aurora really came and went out of nowhere and was just oh i i got the like i that that i think was another reference to the first episode of digimon adventure where like weird weather stuff is happening out of nowhere and also we kind of think okay

44:28 but it kind of got the impression that it's like that opens like a gate to the digital world and that's where parrot ones came from because yeah which is you know everyone's favorite digimon oh wait i forgot about the porn in taichi's room we're just gonna skip him oh yeah yeah yeah that happened yep the freeze frame of his face there was real good yeah i liked it because it's another way of like showing that these kids are just kind of just developed to fairly i'm not gonna say normal but like common like typical yeah there's a typical relatively normal teenager like yeah 20 year olds like it was someone on a train but i think it was a different no nothing it was it was her ow

45:15 it was it was yeah something yeah villainous yeah or our villain uh caz has rain on her face through the the glass that makes her look like she's crying it's it's when she's recounting how she lost her uh her buddy yeah yep yeah i i missed that i guess because she has such a crazy eyes i know i'm really good i like it yeah they they did a good job with her oh and another thing i liked the butterfly motif because the first opening for digimon was butterfly and digimon love showing butterflies right is a butterfly and her hair clip yeah it reminded me a lot of um the uh hollow knight thing people who've played hollow knight probably know what i'm

46:00 talking about i'm totally blanking the uh lifeblood uh butterflies there we go i have not played oh great game you should play hollow knight that's my is it like shovel knight because i have shovel knight and it was really hard for me and i'm not very good at video games i've not played shovel knight but i don't think so it's it's a metroidvania are they i think i think they must i think they're related right i thought like shovel knight was the first game and then hollow knight came after him nope they are not oh okay i just okay i just assumed because they both had night in the title i definitely thought that too but you know now they just were both in the indie game zeitgeist around the same time and and meta knights in it too right all the night games are related yep well play hollow knight it's great it

46:46 has an excellent soundtrack also um thank you for joining me on the hollow knight podcast typically an evangelion podcast sometimes it was a pretty aver podcast but again ava made uh made the choice to steal from them this time also i love lime magazine yeah i oh um i've something that's new it's ghost game related but i just want to bring it up that somebody pointed out that and this is like some several somebodies i just saw it on twitter and read it but the pineapple make of computers is back in ghost game so that's heck yeah love that nice yeah so do we have any other miscellaneous thoughts i wish we'd watch the ghost wave game this week instead to be honest no yeah no i'm glad we watched this this was good oh i don't regret watching this

47:32 just on the whole you literally just said it you said you wish we'd rather watched ghosts of ghost game to watch instead that would have been better no i'm glad i won no you are allowed to disagree i quite like this i also like this one last thought is that i i subjected brady to this movie and brady got like brady's really good with analyzing media like he he likes a lot of books and he likes watching like a lot of movies and analyzing them and like he got all this imagery which i just did not connect like eos modern's final evolution is covered with shields because manoa is trying to shield the kids yeah yeah exactly yeah but also like that is because she's trying to shield the kids from being like hurt by losing

48:17 their digimon yeah yeah he he got all these like aspects i'm like oh i did i did not get this to get that at all i'm dumb yeah but yeah so that was a nice perspective to have from him and and he rather liked this movie which was like he said it was fun like i think neverland i also did really like because when she was first introduced i was like wow that's a really pretty butterfly uh like hair thing ty pin thing she's got going there and so i really like that that you know there was a really nice time in that yeah yeah i thought it was just a really well made movie yeah she was a good character she's she was much better at the maki than maki was yeah and also maki and making daigo kind of just had like not protagonist looks which i guess

49:02 is also a positive for them like they didn't that they just looked like normal typical people that weren't protagonists they had normal standard hair colors and looked normal standard they wore normal standard clothes and manoa just looks so protagonist with her hair all of the code that is ever displayed in this movie is just some python ui code which is excellent yup she's just debugging her python ui because the buttons don't work oh and like okay i haven't seen much of the rebuild movies but she reminded me a little bit of oh what's she she got a really extra name mari something something illustrious or whatever yeah what edward name kills me the fourth admit it up why does she why does mari have such like illustrious like great questions because she's uh

49:49 if you want an answer in uh 3.0 plus 1.0 i have bad news for you uh the the answer is because she's just a stand-in for what's his name's wife anna's wife oh really yep is his wife extra um apparently she just sort of fell into his life and changed everything and helped him deal with depression and so he just sort of made that a big theme of the last movie which is kind of nice but also like don't rely on someone else to fix all your problems she said so it wasn't in episode 12. i've seen people say that she's a mary sue but like kind of she's just she is an insert character but that's pretty she's a very specific character and that's sort of fine but it has some weaknesses to the overall story okay this is not the sound only podcast which is an

50:34 evangeli which i'm just is my sort of like my fantasy podcast about evangelion which i mean we should do like highlights in a heartbeat absolutely there is no why aren't we not doing that right now because we have to talk about digimon still because and then we do card capital sakura once digimon is over which is apparently at this point never yeah so i thought maybe i'd like us to start doing two a week if we can again i don't know if mom is gonna be a thing again soon but yeah we can definitely try but try adventure try anyway do we have any other miscellaneous thoughts about kazuna i don't actually know what kizuna means bond oh okay thank you it means bonds so that was the japanese lesson for the week i guess yeah well i i learned a word the final form of uh what's your bucket looks a lot like an angel it sure

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