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0:00 And when you think about Christianity, Christianity is obsessed with sin. This is all theological And I find that Christianity is actually obsessed with love and that the figure the teachings [Applause] of ex atheist has a very candid conversation about her faith and testimony as she transitioned to Christianity. and Richard Dawkins, he really showed his hand and really showed us the heart of atheism. I think we have to start with the extraordinary few months you've just had. Um, for those
0:45 people who haven't been following up, just tell us the story how such a famous atheist, someone who had rejected religion, came to call herself a Christian. [Laughter] Oh. Um, so I um want to say that I didn't like many people who um come to faith, I didn't see big banging lights and I didn't have um any of those spectacular experiences that some people share. I wish I did, but I didn't. Um, I had uh a personal crisis.
1:31 Um, I lived for about a decade with intense depression and anxiety, self-loathing. Um, I hit rock bottom. I went to a place where I actually didn't want to live anymore, but wasn't brave enough to take my own life. And so I was self-medicating. I had over a long period of time seen um psychiatrists, other doctors. I was trying to understand my condition and trying to treat it with the help of pure evidence-based science. And in January, February of
2:18 um last year, I saw one therapist who said, "Perhaps it's something else that you have." And she described it as spiritual bankruptcy. And that resonated with me. And having reached a place where I had absolutely nothing to lose, um I prayed and I prayed desperately. And for me that was a turning point. And what happened after that is a miracle in its own right. Um I feel connected to something higher and greater than myself. I feel um I I
3:04 um my zest for life is back. Um and [Applause] that and that experience um has filled me with humility. I have to say it and and it is something that's very subjective. It's extremely difficult to explain. I'm trying to work, you know, get into the details, the granular details of how I got there in a book, but that is a short um that's, you know, the shortest story that I can tell. Let's go to to Richard Dawkins reaction because he I am that
3:51 that's a a moving personal story, but to call yourself a Christian is a bit different. I mean a Christian has to believe in something and uh I mean any well you go to church now um and you listen to the vicar and do you kind of notice what a lot of nonsense he talks? I mean do do you really take it seriously that Jesus is the son of God? Jesus rose from the dead. Jesus was born of a virgin and that's part of Christianity. Do so I think because you and I know you very well. We've been friends um for a long time and in fact
4:38 in some ways I think of you as a mentor. Um I would say you are coming at this from a place um of there is nothing and what has happened to me is I think I have accepted there is something and when you accepted that there is something there is a powerful um entity for me the the god that that turned me around I I think what the vicar is saying no longer sounds nonsensical. It makes a great deal of sense. And not only does it make a great deal of sense, it's also layered with the wisdom of
5:23 millennia. And so like you, I did mock uh faith in general and probably Christianity in particular, but I don't do that anymore. And and again that is where the humility comes into it is it doesn't seem in 2024 after I went through that experience. Um I it doesn't seem nonsensical to me and it doesn't I I I don't mock it. I think I've been I've come down to my knees to say perhaps those people who've always had faith have something that we who lost faith um don't have. Um and and and people who have faith also like the woman who told me well you you've
6:10 reached you you've tried everything and you've lost hope you've lost faith um try it uh pray um I think just in in that one word there is so much wisdom and and um that it's I I am such ing and I'm staggering to say I'm just trying to say no, it's not stupid. It's in fact it's clever and it's wise. I thought her correction and redirection to Richard Dawkins was very tasteful and very respectful. She didn't let him reduce her testimony to a doctrinal thing or evidence-based stuff. She
6:55 brought it down to a human level. Okay. Um I wanted to say two two different things. Uh let's take the moral thing first. Islam is a nasty religion. I think we agree about about that. But Christianity is not all that nice either. And when you think about Christianity, Christianity is obsessed with sin. St. Augustine said that we are all we all inherit the sin of Adam. Well, of course, he didn't exist, but so we inherit original sin. original sin came down in the seaman. Jesus was not conceived with semen. That's why he's clear of
7:42 sin. His mother Mary had to be clear of sin as well. So she had to have an immaculate conception. This is all obvious nonsense. This is all theological And The idea that humanity is born in sin and has to be cured of sin by Jesus being crucified, Jesus being punished for all our sins. And that is a morally very unpleasant idea. I'm sure you must agree about that. I find that Christianity is actually obsessed with love and that the figure the teachings
8:31 of the teaching of Christ as I see it and again I'm a brand new Christian but what I'm finding out which is the opposite of growing up as a Muslim the message of Islam but the message of Christianity I get is that Um I it's a message of love. It's a message of redemption and it's a story of renewal and rebirth. And so Jesus dying uh and rising again for me symbolizes that story. And in a small way I felt like I had died and I was reborn. And that story of redemption and uh rebirth um I think makes Christianity actually a very
9:17 very powerful story for the human condition and human existence and the pain of suffering but also our internal the recognition of um what you call sin but perhaps the character defects that both good and evil are there but that both good and evil are in us. I think those teachings in Christianity are far far more powerful and have led to I think the flourishing of Western civilization compared to say growing up as a Muslim when I was taught that really the only way for you to be faithful is to fear naked fear and to have these sets of obligations which you basically obey. Um, and that was very
10:05 much about power, about um, it was centered around hellfire and and all of these um, other things. And so Christianity as I experienced, I'll give you an example. when I was an atheist and I was going all over uh both the United States and all over Europe mocking Christians, making fun of them, making fun of faith as you're doing now, dear Richard. I was walking with six to seven men at any given time protecting me armed from um things that I said that were offensive to Muslims of Muslims thought
10:50 were offensive to them. Christians were writing me letters saying, you know, we're going to pray for you. You're misguided. And I think that alone defines for me the distinction between Christianity in general, main mainstream Christianity and mainstream Islam. He just showed his hand. Richard Dawkins just proved to all of us that he doesn't have a heart. He doesn't have his conscience is seared. It is completely gone. His heart is completely hardened toward God, hardened toward people. He has no compassion or empathy. It's hard toward the things of God. And that's a scary thing because once you become a reprobate, there is no hope for you. On the surface, Richard Dawkins seemed to
11:37 be very pleasant person. He seems to be kind. He seems to be intuitive, a listener, but he has this extreme wall of even when she shared candidly about her journey to Christianity, how she was at the very bottom. She was at the deepest valley ready to give up, looking for a way out. and Jesus Christ came and saved her. It just didn't resonate with him because Richard Dawkins has been an atheist for so long. He's been a hard-hearted atheist for so long that he was completely incapable of understanding what she was saying. That my friends is the danger of atheism. Once you stay there for so long, you keep rejecting the offers, the invitations, the different lifeboats
12:23 that God sends. Once you constantly reject those things, he won't send you anymore. And the ones he does send you, you don't even recognize them as light bulbs, but you recognize them as as inconveniences to your to your life. That's why so many atheists resort to insults and mocking God because they don't want to deal with the reality that they're angry at a God they claim doesn't exist. Why do you call him a sky daddy? Why do you call him the flying spaghetti monster? Why all these insults? If he doesn't exist, why not just skirt past this video? Why even leave a comment? Because you know there's something inside of you that says God is real. Romans 1:18 says that we suppress the truth and unrighteousness. It's like a beach ball
13:10 that you try to push down in the water. It requires energy and effort to keep that ball down because once you let it up, it pops right out. Atheists have to suppress. They have to keep that ball down by insults and mockery and straw man arguments and hominemum attack and discrediting the person rather than what they're saying because they know deep down inside that God is convicting them of their sin. They don't want their sin to be put on front street because human beings by nature want to live in sin because it's pleasurable to the flesh. And while some will say, "Well, why did God make it like that?" God provided the solution. The solution is Christ. He defeated sin by living a sinless life.
13:58 He defeated death by raising from the dead. He has all power and authority. And he's going to come back one day to completely rid the world of sin, to completely rid the world of evil. He's going to come back and make all things new and all things right. He is the solution to evil. He is the solution to sin. He is the solution to suffering. That most innocent man willingly gave his life so you and I could have eternal life. All you have to do is accept him as your savior. But the fact that there are atheists who will much rather ridicule Jesus and claim he doesn't exist, clearly that is a heart issue, not a head issue. The fact that he didn't have any compassion shows that this is a heart issue, not a head issue.
14:44 He has no heart. It's completely hardened. Don't be like Richard Dawkins. Don't let your heart become hardened. Be open-minded. Listen and seek the Lord for yourself. You enjoyed this video, you want more content like this, do me a favor and subscribe to this channel. Like this video. I'll be back next week with another one. It's Pastor Frederick. This is about a book and everything I do is by the book. Peace. [Music]
