0:00 But we have to start Tim and Jay, good morning by the way with that penalty appeal with Alexander Isach. First of all Jay, as a striker, what did you think of Isach's reaction? The fact that he didn't even claim it. >> I mean the the reaction I mean that's the thing. That's why managers are telling players to dive >> and go down. Make it obvious. Make the referees make a decision. Um put him in that situation. The fact that he's he's not really reacted. I think we didn't see the angle there, but he does turn around to Timber and say, "You're lucky there." Um, but it's definitely a penalty. There's no doubt about that. Look, he put he pulls him. He stops him from going to the ball. Um, I was surprised that he didn't go down to be honest. I mean, a lot of players would have, but it's definitely a penalty. There's no doubt about that in my mind. And Timber got away with it there.
0:45 Arsenal got away with it there. >> Tim, I'll ask you about this in a moment. Let's hear what I had to say about this. It's a shame you ask me this question but honestly yes we have to tell them go down because they are not going to call it otherwise and then refers complain why they don't go go down because if you don't go down that you don't call it so and then it's like you know you are all the time going down so but I think Alex is is honest he tries to go for the for the ball everyone can see life straight away no there is a clear clear pull It's going to be our top talking point with Dermit from 11:00. But Tim, as a manager, do you tell your players to go down that situation? And how how sad is
1:33 it that that's the case? >> 100%. If there's contact in the penalty area, yeah, make the referee make the decision because you're having to. You've seen that. If he goes back and falls back, makes it obvious. Timber's obviously pulled him. He's obviously impacted him heading the ball, EAC. Um, it's a clear penalty. It worries me, Tom. It really worries me, Jay, how V haven't seen that and haven't asked the referee to go and have a look at that. At least I I think it's impossible not to give a penalty there. I really do. >> If Isak had waved his hands, >> do you think that would subconsciously >> make V say, "Hold on, what have I missed?" >> And because he didn't, >> yeah, >> they've just missed it. >> 100%. I mean, missed it though. He's talking about I don't know when. >> How can you miss it? Surely they
2:20 >> How can you miss it? You You've seen it. Everyone [clears throat] see it. >> Yeah, >> everyone see it. How could they miss it? They've got a million cameras in that room. >> They've got loads of cameras around the stadium. How can you miss that? That's This is the thing. That's their only job Tim. >> Yeah. >> Their only job is to look at instances like that. >> Yeah. >> How can they not? It's a real worry and and and they hate it when when you know exro say put someone who knows about football in that in that box rhythm and Jay said it at numerous occasions. You don't need anyone to know about football to know that that is a shirt Paul and it impacts Esak's ability to go and head that ball. He's on the penalty spit spot almost. He's closer than that. He has to head that on target. It's impossible in my opinion for them to miss that. And and I'd like to know why they missed
3:06 that. And we're going to ask Dermit later. Yeah, much more on that in because he's [laughter] he's only watching it like us, but bless him. >> Yeah. Well, that's 11:00. In terms of the performance from the Liverpool side of things, Jay, will they be encouraged by their performance despite the fact that they lost? >> Yeah. Um, I I thought I thought it was a really good game to be honest. Um, even though it was 1 nil, we saw an Arsenal team that has the best defense in the world and that's out that's without arguably Arsenal's best defender in Celiba. Compact, everyone knows exactly what's expected of them. Clearances, the jewels, they they move in unison. And I just think that nowadays, Tim, I was going to say this. Nowadays, defenders
3:53 are more valuable than attackers because we see Liverpool, they've spent big money on their attackers. Verts, Barca, you know, I'm going to say Isak in this in this instant, he's part of that as well. >> Um, but then when you look at the defenders that Arsenal spent money on, >> the fact that they can go out there and keep a clean sheet against those players, it says a lot. I think in today's day and age, defenders are actually more valuable than forwards, wingers, and strikers. >> I mean, Mikuel's getting a lot of stick for the way his team plays, the unwatchables, this that and the other. You hear everyone talking about this. >> He's what he's done, he's bought Garezen. It's not really worked. He'd have to admit that. I think Havs, even though he scores yesterday, I think he's been average this season. Not playing up
4:39 to him. There's not really fluidity amongst their team. But what Mikuel does which is good management. He said what's our biggest asset here and our biggest asset is our big boys at the back and the solidity what they what they show and the likes of Declan Rice in the midfield who's like protecting putting out fires wherever the danger shows. >> I I just think it's very good management. You said you know what we got this and and don't forget the goalkeeper who's magnificent. We got such a solid base there with them five and Declan in front >> and the depth as well >> and and then they can bring up they can off the bench. It's crucial. Le happy to bring on you know game off you go B he's everywhere he's everywhere but he's everywhere and he's running as quick towards his own goal as he is towards the opposition. That is a trait we keep talking about. I remember we mentioned it a couple of weeks ago about Man
5:25 United's midfield not running around quick enough certainly towards their own goal. >> You can't label that against Arsenal. They almost Tom enjoy defending. They're loving it. They're relishing the fact that they keep the clean sheets. They need to score one goal to win football matches at Anfield. Incredible. >> But that's that's the way it's going to be. I mean, I said it last year. I'm going to say it again this year. Arsenal are going to be successful because of their defense. >> Because you can go and win games at Anfield 1 nil. >> You can go out there now as soon as Arsenal are getting a goal. They ain't losing. >> They're not going to concede to and lose a game. You know, at the bare minimum, they're getting a draw. >> Yeah. I watched the game in the Champions League, Barcelona, PSG, one of the best games of football. It was end to end basketball match. I was thinking if you talk about English teams, I think Arsenal are the most equipped to beat
6:11 them because of their defense. Yeah, >> they won't go toe-to-toe. They'll play a different way. They will soak it up. They will try and catch him on the break. And if they go ahead, they can win a game against them two teams. If they went toe-to-toe, they'll get beat >> because then there's more fluidity. There's more patterns. >> But don't take that away from Arsenal. We we used to lord Italian clubs back in the day. God, the defense fantastically. I think there's a lot to admire against about a team. For the neutral, a less trained eye, you know, who's a neutral watching the game, they're not getting entertained. But from my point of view, when I look at that, the way they're organized and the way they want to run for the team, and I just think he's got him in such a such a good place at the moment, and to enjoy playing like that, you only enjoy when you win. Don't don't
6:58 get me wrong, when you when you play like that, but it must be brilliant camaraderie amongst the group. Tim, I actually do want to see Arsenal playing more attacking football. That's why I was saying to you, like we spoke about it off air, me and you as well, Tim, uh Tom, if we had like world class forwards as well, >> like the likes of Arsenal were going to dominate for years because that defense is young. That defense is not like in their 30s, that's in their 20s still. They will be do dominating. But your to your question, I thought Liverpool good. I actually did. They were putting bodies forward. They were working extremely hard and they were trying to create things. Yes. Um they had some half chances. I think the best chance was Mallister where he heads it over. He's got to do better there. He's got to hit the target at the bare minimum. Um but there was a lot of positives there. Um
7:43 they were pressing Arsenal hard. But Arsenal just have the best defense in the world. >> Tom, they were good but they got beat and they're nine points a drift of Arsenal and they can't win the Premier League now. End of Paul Mercer is absolutely spot on. End of season for them. They better look at the cup competitions because they will not win the Premier League from nine points back. >> He'll have to finish in the top four, won't he? Because Slot did and Slot went. >> Oh, I think he will. And and I can see something building here. I think it's improvement. You know, we talk keep talking about when he was at Bournemouth, it took 10 games before he won it. You can see something improving there. But Barca has to come to the party, give him a little bit more time. Vert has to, but you can see glimmers of of a player in there. Is >> for you for for you as a manager. This is what I'm looking at yesterday. I'm
8:29 looking at I'm saying I'm not playing Gakpo. Even though back um Gakpo's started the season well. He got his assists, got some goals. I think he's a good player. >> I'm I'm starting Rio on the left and put Barcolo on the right because when even when Rio comes on yesterday, >> defenders don't want to get close to him. >> They're just like backing off. They're saying, "What what are you going to do?" They're doubling up. And that's why I think he should have played because he's electric. He can come inside. He's got that pace. He can get to line. He's got that pace. Um, Gako, he's different, isn't he? He comes inside, but he's not going to beat no one in a one-on-one situation. And that's what I felt like they needed yesterday cuz Barca weren't doing it either. He weren't just going, he weren't getting the ball to the get to the line and then I think he done it maybe once in the whole game. >> But apart from that, >> he's a goal for a guy. >> He is cuz you play the ball over the top
9:14 and he's going to he can run onto it because he's so fast. But I think in that particular game yesterday when Arsenal are camped a little bit, you need that little bit of genius to go past one player to go past past two players and then and then create something. But I thought >> Enamo's got that. They got to be very careful. They got to make sure he signs this contract. >> If they keep if they keep leaving him out, you know, I said it a couple of weeks ago on here. If I'm Enamo's agent, I'm saying to him, just wait, see everyone's back fit. See how much game time you're actually going to get. Because if you don't get a game time, it might be worth you going and playing somewhere else. I'm not I'm not sure he's ever going to go to a bigger club in Liverpool. There's not many bigger clubs in Liverpool out there. But it's all about game time. It's all about playing for a young kid like him. So, he needs to play in it very well. >> No, he'll come. He's welcome at Arsenal. >> You need a left winger, don't you?
10:00 >> Yeah, he's welcome. >> By the way, Liverpool, they didn't have a a single shot on target the first time ever at Anfield in the league. Right. in terms of you've we've praised Mikuel Ortetta. Uh but Declan Rice, Jamie Carrian say he's the best midfielder in the Premier League. >> Do you agree with that? >> I I love Declan. I love Elliot Anderson is the one who who could um who could challenge him. He's everywhere. They're different. >> Declan for me is one of the most reliable players you're ever going to get. You know, as a manager, he's he's your dream. He's he's versatile. He can play playing the six, playing the eight, playing the 10 if he wants. It's set piece deliveries, you know, free kicks, corners. He sticks his head on. He runs back, you know, he he heads balls out the box. He's got a great frame, six foot um three. I love Declan. I really
10:45 do. I I I would I wouldn't challenge that. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Again, and like you said there, Elliot Anson is different. I think he's more of a passer. Like he's going to spray balls around. He's going to play balls over the top. Dex Deck is more of a runner, but the energy he brings to the team, he makes interceptions. He's strong in challenges. He's I've seen him play right back and he plays right back really well. Tim said he could play center back. He can play pretty much anywhere. But there was a few times in yesterday's game when Arsenal made mistakes. Um there was one in particular when they tried to play out got caught and the ball went um went almost went to Barcola and he's he's waiting to pull the trigger. Who turns up? Declan Rice to clear things away. And he's saying to Ryer and he's saying to Concer, you
11:32 know, don't worry about it. I got you. But he's a fantastic player. If he's not at Arsenal last year, Arsenal don't win the title >> because he was the leader in the group. And I always say he's not wearing a captain's armband, but he's the biggest leader there. >> Everyone listens to him. You in the huddle. I'm seeing him talking a lot. He's the one ging players up. >> Is Shiba getting back in his team? >> I think I think he does. >> I do think he does. I think he does. >> Well, rotated in. I know he would do that. Is he getting back in for? How good has Konza been? >> I think, this is what I think. Konzo has been unbelievable and he looks like he's been in that defense for years and years. I would say this though, I'm not 100% sure now and I love him as well that Arteta is convinced with Timber
12:19 >> really. >> I'm thinking he might put Conc right back at some point and play Celiba there because he likes to play. He likes to have a big back with Cal Fury. >> Is it a waste putting him there? >> A waste of what? Why? >> Cuz he's such a good center back. >> Yeah, but he's a good right back as well. He never makes Listen, when he was at Villa, he paid right back a lot. >> He did and he and he was and he was solid. Done it for England again. He was solid. There's just so many options. We got amazing options in that back line. Cal Fury, Inappier, Lewis, Skellyy, Celiba Gabrielle Cona Timber Ben White like >> it's scary like that defense. There's no better defense in the world than that. And do you know what? Even their backup defense is probably one of the best in the world still. >> Absolutely. I mean, they're back they they got you can take them four out
13:06 yesterday, put another four in and Man United to take them all. [laughter] >> Good point. Is the title Arsenals to lose now? >> Yeah. >> Yeah, definitely >> both agree with that one. >> I told you I'm going to get my Champions already. >> He's He's gone early. >> I'm going I'm going early. I didn't last year. I'm going early this year. >> Yeah, >> cuz Man City are gonna get the points. >> Who Who we don't know that? >> No, we don't know that. But I'm I'm assuming that they're going to get points by what I've heard and what I've read. I'm assuming that >> if that happens right now, the closest challenges are Brighton. And don't get me wrong, Brighton have done fantastically well, but Brighton don't have the depth. >> And that's what's going to catch up with them in the end. That's why I feel like now >> Arsenal Arsenal would have to lose three games and draw games. That ain't happening without defense. >> Tottenham.
13:51 >> Tottenham. What? [laughter] >> We're coming. back. >> Are you Are you both are you in agreement that Brighton aren't serious contenders? >> I'd say no, but I still don't believe Leicester ever won it. I mean, but they did and they just kept going. You always waiting for the wheels to fall off and they never did. So, but but Brighton Brighton Brighton and their manager, we always talk about how well the clubs run and it's absolutely right. I can't talk about highly enough. Herz is a top manager as well. He knows what he wants. He organizes them. You know, such a young man. and he's got he's disciplined as well and he doesn't care who's standing next to him in the other technical area, you know, shows them absolutely zero respect. Um and he just has an identity of how his team wants to play. It's all all depends whether they even in January, can they keep all their
14:37 players? I think it looks like they will. They normally sell their players at the highest possible price, you know, and that would be the end of the seasons. >> They keep changing players, bringing ones in. It's seamless the transition. >> He's got them ticking. They're on a c of a wave at the moment. the confidence. I think top four without a doubt. >> Yeah, top four. Their best players not play. Mint. >> Yeah. >> And um Matoma is not even playing like that's two of their best players as well. He's done great. >> I think that J I think that that just shows you how good they are. The I think the manager has confidence in all of them. >> Yeah, definitely. >> I think everyone at that training ground feels like they're part of it. You don't know whether he's going to play you or whether he's not. He keeps changing his team. You know, he's got no consistency with his side because he can bring one out, put one in, and seamless. So you got to give him a lot of credit. Brighton are the team up there. Not
15:24 going to challenge for the title. No, in my opinion. But like I say, I said Leicester had no chance. Look what they did. >> He doesn't care about age either because he was playing wellbeck last few seasons. He had Milner. >> Yeah. >> He brought Pascal Gross back. He doesn't mind about that either. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. >> Got a really good blend experience. You know, they've got that. And that's why like Gross has gone back in there and he's been unbelievable since he's come back to Brighton. >> Lewis Dunc. keep bringing center ars in with Lewis and he's always there and he always develops them and then they move on to other clubs let him go by I can't believe they let him he's a Rolls-Royce that kid >> yeah he's done well >> he's done really well >> Van Hec went the other way >> I think he does so well because the Lewis dunk next to him >> you know the kids can only be as good as the senior professionals you end up with >> are you both [snorts] Jay you said it
16:11 won't be Man City is that just on the base you don't think they'll win their appeal because of course they might win their appeal if they win their appeal are they in the title race >> if they win their appeal then they're in the title You agree with that, Tim? >> Yeah. Yeah, they're in it. They're in it. They got very good players, but um had they've been tripped up a few times, haven't they, recently?
